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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ New Kent Bismuth 16ga Ammo |
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:33 pm
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Joined: 08 Oct 2012
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Location: Hilton Head SC
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:01 pm
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I noticed the same thing and that's some good news for us 16 gauge hunters. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:02 am
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007
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Location: KY
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If they can fit 1 oz in a 2 3/4 20ga why can't we get 1 1/16 oz or at least a little peppier load in 16?
Would like to see #4 and #2's as well. #2 should be a decent decoying goose load. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:27 am
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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Location: Anchorage, AK
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There's more pellets in an ounce of Bismuth than in the same weight lead. Bismuth patterns I have shot are nice, but I've only done #6.
I have killed three sandhill cranes with 1 ounce of #6 bismuth in a 16 gauge!
Never tried geese. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:28 am
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Location: Anchorage, AK
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What's the price on Kent Gamebore bismuth? |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:39 pm
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007
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Location: KY
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Little Creek wrote: |
There's more pellets in an ounce of Bismuth than in the same weight lead.
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That still doesn't explain how they can cram an oz in a 20 ga hull and move it at the same pace as the 16.
When you do that what is the point? The only "advantage" you now have is a heavier gun to shoot it from. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:15 pm
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Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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smashdn- When they put out the Kent Impact in 16ga, they had 1 1/4 oz loads. Since they are still making Impact in other gauges, I wonder if the Bismuth loads are intended for upland hunting. The 1 1/4oz in 5 shot hauled the mail on geese. Wish I still had a bunch of it. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:01 pm
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Joined: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 467
Location: SC PA
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If the manufacturers aren't putting out the loads you want, why not load your own? Bismuth, ITX and Hevi-shot bulk shot are all readily available.
In spite of having a considerable stock of 16ga Bismuth and Kent TM on hand, I'm glad to see Kent bringing out a sensible 16ga Bismuth loading. It only expands the tiny 16ga non-lead market. When the Kent load hits the market and Rio Bismuth comes back in stock, I'll be adding some of both to my stockpile.
Thanks for posting about this colsen.
Marcus |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:31 pm
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Joined: 23 Aug 2009
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Location: Southern Ontario
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1 oz. of #5's is plenty for geese. I'd worry more about pattern, choke choice, and POA....before I'd worry about a few more pellets. Plus, 1 1/4 oz. would only cost you more when you miss |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:46 pm
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Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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If they can still load 12 & 20 GA Tungsten Matrix, why not in the step child 16GA? The Tungsten Matrix loads are lethal and proven. A lower velocity 1 OZ Bismuth load is not nearly as desirable. |
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:24 pm
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Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: Wisconsin
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smashdn wrote: |
If they can fit 1 oz in a 2 3/4 20ga why can't we get 1 1/16 oz or at least a little peppier load in 16?
Would like to see #4 and #2's as well. #2 should be a decent decoying goose load.
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Inside of thirty yards, a load of sixes to the head of a goose is deadly. If you have two pipes instead of one, two careful shots equals two dead geese. Before the lead ban, we shot them with anything we could find; old slick shells with the writing worn off. Some were killed cleanly with 8's because we didn't know better. Pattern density is the key to small shot. Goose feathers turn them too do they eat better. Reno |
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:01 am
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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I have 2 small stashes of Bizz . One made by a member here(real good ) and one of the original Cabelas . The GOOD stuff probably will hold up to higher speed . The old stuff is lighter and looks like the moon - easy to fracture !!?? I also have some factory 11/4 16's - they seem like they are loaded to 14k PSI and come out of the Davis HARD !! Am gonna try some of BPI's ITX13 loads at target speed and see how I like them . Would be ok if Master Tinkerer could make more Bizz at a lower price . |
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:12 pm
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Joined: 21 Jan 2006
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Location: Black Hills of SD
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I'd like to see a little more potent loading too, but with relatively limited demand for 16 it's great to see them take a chance on meeting the profit margins they need with this loading.
Using a load identical to their Bismuth 20 ga. probably saves some production setup cost, and keeping costs down for our shorter 16 ga. production runs may be the difference between offering these and offering nothing in 16.
Jay |
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:19 pm
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As noted earlier, bismuth is slightly lighter than lead. Thus more pellets of equal diameter fit in the same space for a weighted load. I have never felt under gunned with an ounce of lead or bismuth #5s or 6s @ 1200 fps whether in a 20, 16 or 12 for decoying ducks or pointed pheasants. To me, that is the perfect upland loading. YMMV. |
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Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:20 pm
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007
Posts: 234
Location: KY
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1 oz of #5 moving at 1200 seems a paltry load for geese.
I would love to think I am good enough to hit all that I aim for in the head and neck and my calling and decoy setting skills of such polish that all will come inside 30 yards but that is simply not the case.
If I were to go pick a lead shell to use for ducks it would be 1 1/4 oz of #4's. It can be loaded in a 12ga or 16ga easily. Acknowledging that bismuth is less dense I would settle for 1 1/8 oz in 4's for my duck load. |
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