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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ 4th of July - Happy Independence Day |
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:06 am
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Dave Erickson wrote: |
Long time rifle reloader here, but I've never delved into cast bullets. I'm curious to know how they perform on game, or is it purely for economical shooting at the range?
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How do they perform on game? Ask the old Buffalo hunters.
They used to drive their cast bullets completely through Buffalo.
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_________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:36 am
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Dale, now that's some pretty impressive penetration. |
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:06 pm
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Dave Erickson wrote: |
Dale, now that's some pretty impressive penetration.
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I reload for an old Martini-Henry that has been rechambered for 45/70. I shoot everything from 331 gr HP's to 535 gr postell bullets.
Used to get my bullets from Montana Bullet Works, but he had to close because of health, he had some great facts about the old buffalo hunters using their 100% lead paper patched bullets and EXPECTING them to completely penetrate a buffalo, hoping they might get two with one shot!
I also reload for a Win Model 1886, but mainly use the old Lyman 331 gr HP in that one.
Heavy, slow, big bullets were deadly in the hands of good hunters.
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Last edited by Cheyenne08 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:20 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:18 pm
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I have a 577-470 Martini and also one I re-did to 444 Marlin
Also like my 1886
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Last edited by skeettx on Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:34 pm
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Mike, i really like that 1887, I know you gave the info in the past, but I forgot. Is it an original or replica?
Dale |
_________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:07 pm
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Original, full length (not cut barrel) and is really fun to shoot at doves
or skeet
It is in fantastic condition
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:37 pm
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Location: West-central Missouri
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castboolits site is great and the Lyman cast bullet manual is a good guide for beginners... |
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:58 pm
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skeettx wrote: |
Original, full length (not cut barrel) and is really fun to shoot at doves
or skeet
It is in fantastic condition
Mike
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I've never seen or handled one, just loved the idea of a lever action Winchester shotgun. They must be rare as hen's teeth. My 1886 is a light weight rifle made in 1907, it is in almost museum condition, getting so I don't shoot it much, but hate to not shoot the old classics, hell I am not going to be around forever!
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_________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
...Andrew Jackson... |
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:13 pm
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Dale, I have a Model 71 .348 Winchester which I believe is based on the 1886. It mows deer down. |
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:03 am
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Dave Erickson wrote: |
Dale, I have a Model 71 .348 Winchester which I believe is based on the 1886. It mows deer down.
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Dave, when I bought my 45/70 in the late '60's, the guy I bought it from offered me the 45/70 for $250.00, and a like new Model 71 for $200.00!
In those days, $250.00 was half of my life savings! My wife was not a happy camper.
The .348 Win is quite a round for close range hunting, more than needed for deer, but would be just right for Elk and Moose.
Do you have the fancy model with receiver sight, sling and checkered stock?
You are correct the 71 was based on the 1886, maybe the slickest lever action made by Winchester.
Dale |
_________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
...Andrew Jackson... |
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:45 am
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Dale, that's interesting. Mine is a plain one with a Williams FP receiver sight. It was my father's and he was a blacksmith in our small town. His welding skills probably saved him in WWII, because he was in charge of a crew building fresh water pipes in the Fiji Islands.
I asked Dad once where he got it and he said a guy used to come around in a carryall selling guns. I think he bought his 32 Special from that guy, too. |
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:22 am
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Dave Erickson wrote: |
Dale, that's interesting. Mine is a plain one with a Williams FP receiver sight. It was my father's and he was a blacksmith in our small town. His welding skills probably saved him in WWII, because he was in charge of a crew building fresh water pipes in the Fiji Islands.
I asked Dad once where he got it and he said a guy used to come around in a carryall selling guns. I think he bought his 32 Special from that guy, too.
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Dave, very interesting story of your Dad and how he got the '71. Working on a pipeline in the Fiji Islands in WWII, had to be a terrible tough job, I had an uncle who was in the corp of Army engineers in WWII, he served in New Guinea, said he never knew people were still that backward in the 20th century until he saw them. He is still alive is 103.
Many '71's were rechambered and rebarreled to .450 Alaskan, and the cartridge is still popular with big game guides in bear country in Alaska.
Dale |
_________________ One man with courage makes a majority.
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:43 am
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Great gun - winchester 71. I have four and one is in the ackley improved. The ackley will push a 250 grain bullet to 2525 fps. The 450 alaskan can handle 300 to 500 grain bullets at 2000+ to 2200 fps. Not a rifle to do alot of bench rest shooting unless your shoulder has a pad. |
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