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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Cheddites stick in chamber, fail to extract, fet, any help? |
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:52 am
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Location: San Diego
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Win Model 12, 2 3/4 chamber, fails to extract Cheddites a couple times per round. 2 1/2 or 2 3/4 both, the sticky part is the mouth end. If I cut one down, the base end extracts fine. It's the plastic. I've seen a LOT of Win Promos do it too, especially in brand new Rem 870s. And yesterday a guy's lower barrel wouldn't extract Federals.
I tried Armorall/Son of a Gun. Anybody try Mica? Silicone spray? Chamber honing w/ three stone hone? Ideas? |
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:19 am
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12 gauge bore brush, with 000 steel wool and hoppe's #9, put last segment of cleaning rod in battery operated drill and really clean and burnish the chamber.
Keep the brush moving forward and aft.
Mike |
Last edited by skeettx on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:14 am
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skeettx wrote: |
12 gauge bore brush, with 000 steel wool and hoppe's #9, put last segment of cleaning rod in battery operated drill and really clean and burnish the chamber.
Keep the brush moving forward and aft.
Mike
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That does an excellent job of cleaning. I've already done that.
I've realized that the ribs on the hulls are to allow gasses back up the side of the chamber, like HK did with their 7.62 'fluted chamber'. I can see a ring around my hulls, and the Feds from the other guy, where the ribs are flattened to smoothness. It's right where the crimp was.
Chambers do taper, they are tightest at the front. I'm kind of wondering if the variation in sticking between guns is there?
Also, like others, the second attempt to extract does work. Some think it is the chamber changing with heat soak, I think it's probably the hull shrinking as it cools. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:19 pm
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Joined: 24 Jul 2016
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Location: Ohio
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Try the brush/steel wool with Barkeepers friend on the steel wool moistened with water. If that doesn't work you can order a chamber polisher from Brownells. That will work. |
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Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:40 pm
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Ohio Wirehair wrote: |
Try the brush/steel wool with Barkeepers friend on the steel wool moistened with water. If that doesn't work you can order a chamber polisher from Brownells. That will work.
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I'm not averse to chamber polishing, but I don't like the bottle brush hones. I'll go with a two-stone or a custom made gizmo. Maybe valve lapping compound on a slitted dowel. Especially if some 16gaugers say "I polished and it stopped the sticking".
And did you know that the active ingredient in Hoppe's #9 is ammonia? Plus "banana oil" for fragrance and protective oil film. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:54 am
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bent extractor? worn/dull edge on the extractor? weak extractor spring? gunk in the extractor allowance? |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:45 am
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Location: missouri
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Cheap hulls, a lot of my older double guns the chambers are so tight they won't even chamber some of the El Cheapo European hulls. Things aren't made the way they used to be,find some hulls that are better quality and will chamber for you. |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:58 am
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putz463 wrote: |
bent extractor? worn/dull edge on the extractor? weak extractor spring? gunk in the extractor allowance?
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Sharpened the extractor, wound my own spring form the heaviest stock possible to get in there. Take the bolt out, slip a hull under the extractor, can't hardly pull it out. Takes a good yank on the forened to get the exdt to jump off. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:00 am
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16GAwaterfowler wrote: |
Cheap hulls, a lot of my older double guns the chambers are so tight they won't even chamber some of the El Cheapo European hulls. Things aren't made the way they used to be,find some hulls that are better quality and will chamber for you.
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Well yeah, it's a hull problem. Cheddites/Herters, but Fiochii and Federals too. Got another option? NOT Remington Express, $20/25. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:38 am
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Find a new case, bro! (sorry)
I'd take the gun and ammo you want to use to a good smith and have him put it right. |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:57 am
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I had the same problem with my older A5, as did another poster on this forum, solution was to switch to remington hulls. But my Ithaca 37 from 1946 does not like the new rem hulls, so I use the older reminton peters hulls for it and an older single barrel. |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:01 am
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kennedy756 wrote: |
I had the same problem with my older A5, as did another poster on this forum, solution was to switch to remington hulls. But my Ithaca 37 from 1946 does not like the new rem hulls, so I use the older reminton peters hulls for it and an older single barrel.
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I'll gladly give you $50 for 500 of those 40 year old hulls.
Should I have specified "practical solution" ? |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:02 am
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I agree with Dave Erickson.
Shotshell ammunition has had the same manufacturing tolerances for years, something in the vicinity of about 92 years at least.
I would not hone anything until I knew exactly where the problem lies.
I am guessing rust, roughness, decades of powder/wax/plastic buildup, extractor issues..... |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:41 am
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Dogchaser37 wrote: |
I agree with Dave Erickson.
Shotshell ammunition has had the same manufacturing tolerances for years, something in the vicinity of about 92 years at least.
I would not hone anything until I knew exactly where the problem lies.
I am guessing rust, roughness, decades of powder/wax/plastic buildup, extractor issues.....
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Except that the plastic has changed since AAs first came out. It's why cheapies have grooves down the sides, to allow gasses to blow the hull away from the walls of the chamber.
But even the cheapies don't stick in everything. I'm going to go work on the chamber now.
I was hoping for "a dusting of foot powder prevent that sticky feeling". So chamber it is. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:54 am
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the issue with the new rem is the metal in the rim, its softer then the rem peters and distorts the rim, even though I have my mec set correctly. |
_________________ 16ga 3-Win 37
16ga Ithaca 37 1946
16ga Western Auto Revelation
16ga Browning A-5 1929
16ga Marlin 90 1939
16ga browning citori lightning grade 3 2003
16ga Francisque Darne 1920 |
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