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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Cheddites stick in chamber, fail to extract, fet, any help? |
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:07 pm
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:12 am
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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway. |
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:13 am
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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway. |
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:14 am
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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway. |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:59 am
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Dogchaser37 wrote: |
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.
I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".
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I said a factory load right out of the box unfired. Measure right under the rim not somewhere on the brass .go .oo2 below that
U need the collet type resized. Not the ring type. The ring at times creates a small bulge from extrusion just under the rim. Not enough to see or feel. But .002 is way more than enough to make them stick. Especially just under the rim. |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:59 am
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Dogchaser37 wrote: |
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.
I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:57 am
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I posted a very long reply, but in retrospect, I have already offered my opinion. I'll stick by it.
You folks have a great day. |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:41 pm
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Location: San Diego
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casebro wrote: |
update: A round of trap with my re-grooved Cheddites was better than not grooved- still, 7 FTE. Help. but no silver bullet.
Next outing, I loaded only high brass huks0 Feds and Fiocchii. Feds were nearly flawless, Fiochiis stuck every time.
I had noticed that the brass f Cheds and Fuiocchis had a mark at the chamber rig line. Doesn't mic, but it is there- on one side. Up shot, my chamber ring was turned 180 degrees. I didn't think it could be assembled that way. About .004" off, but Cheds only spring back about .002.
Next outing, bring a mixed batch of everything. Still waiting on my powdered Teflon from China.
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Range trip: Same hulls, same load, with the chamber ring rotated to concentricity. Problem was worse. nearly all stuck. Most exracted on the second attempt. Hmm, so I tried waiting a couple breaths before pumping the slide. A few seconds to cool off really helped. Good enough for trap, not for clays. But one ched and one Fiocii really glued themselves in. I was afraid to break the tip of my knife, used the ram rod. There is a ram rod at every field. Because? Yup. I'm not the only one. |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:42 pm
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Joined: 31 Jan 2013
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casebro wrote: |
update: A round of trap with my re-grooved Cheddites was better than not grooved- still, 7 FTE. Help. but no silver bullet.
Next outing, I loaded only high brass huks0 Feds and Fiocchii. Feds were nearly flawless, Fiochiis stuck every time.
I had noticed that the brass f Cheds and Fuiocchis had a mark at the chamber rig line. Doesn't mic, but it is there- on one side. Up shot, my chamber ring was turned 180 degrees. I didn't think it could be assembled that way. About .004" off, but Cheds only spring back about .002.
Next outing, bring a mixed batch of everything. Still waiting on my powdered Teflon from China.
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Range trip: Same hulls, same load, with the chamber ring rotated to concentricity. Problem was worse. nearly all stuck. Most exracted on the second attempt. Hmm, so I tried waiting a couple breaths before pumping the slide. A few seconds to cool off really helped. Good enough for trap, not for clays. But one ched and one Fiocii really glued themselves in. I was afraid to break the tip of my knife, used the ram rod. There is a ram rod at every field. Because? Yup. I'm not the only one. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:56 pm
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Joined: 31 Jan 2013
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Hammer bill wrote: |
Dogchaser37 wrote: |
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.
I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".
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I said a factory load right out of the box unfired. Measure right under the rim not somewhere on the brass .go .oo2 below that
U need the collet type resized. Not the ring type. The ring at times creates a small bulge from extrusion just under the rim. Not enough to see or feel. But .002 is way more than enough to make them stick. Especially just under the rim.
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I'm already using a Supersizer. Squarshing them all the way down. No prob chambering.
Extracted hulls measure same as chamber, .748". The just won't spring back like all the steel I ever ran through a press break.
Next option: Different load, different powder. |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:33 pm
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So the rest of the world is wrong and you are correct? |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:43 pm
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Dove hunting sure was good today
Cough, Cough
Let's move on gentlemen
Nothing to see here, move along |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:03 pm
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Thanks Mike, |
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:05 pm
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I actually had this same problem with an almost-new 20ga 870. Very very frustrating, especially in the field, what a pain!
Turned out there was bit of rust colored glue-like gunk in the tiny spring well of the plunger under the ejector claw, maybe from the manufacturer. I cleaned it out with brake cleaner (which took some doing, it was stubborn stuff) and presto, problem solved.
It just might be that simple.
Good luck,
B. |
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Posted:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:00 am
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Joined: 31 Jan 2013
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Location: San Diego
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Dogchaser37 wrote: |
So the rest of the world is wrong and you are correct?
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In what way? Ive done every thing anybody else has recommended.
Dogchaser and I differ in our reasoning for the hull design. He thinks the ribs are there to help it feed, I think they are part of the cheapening process.
I'm trying to learn something here, and I'm sharing my knowledge as I gain it. If you can't handle that, ....
My next step will be some thing else thatnobody else has mentioned- Maybe Cheddites are worthwhile in lower velocity loads? |
_________________ It's not how many breaths you take, it's how many times you have been breathless.
Dying with all ten fingers is like dying with money in the bank- you could have had more fun! |
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