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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:23 am  Reply with quote
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wahoo wrote:
Hope I’m not hi jacking OP’s thread, but since it attracted sweet 16 fans, thought I’d throw in a quick question....Where is a good read to bone up on sweet 16’s vs standard A5 16s as far as the differences through the years? Think I might start looking for one to add to my 16ga line up. I only own one other auto, and it’s a 12ga 1100. Saw an early A5 16 recently for sale that was in the English style stock, solid rib, and said “Acier Special” on 28” bbl. Trigger (not gold) looked odd to me in that it was not as concaved as usual and seemed canted more rearwards than usual. Are those special as far as handling goes or otherwise?


I believe that would have been a euro market gun. Although some very early US guns had straight stocks, I think that was well before the solid rib was an option.
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16'er wrote:
wahoo wrote:
Hope I’m not hi jacking OP’s thread, but since it attracted sweet 16 fans, thought I’d throw in a quick question....Where is a good read to bone up on sweet 16’s vs standard A5 16s as far as the differences through the years? Think I might start looking for one to add to my 16ga line up. I only own one other auto, and it’s a 12ga 1100. Saw an early A5 16 recently for sale that was in the English style stock, solid rib, and said “Acier Special” on 28” bbl. Trigger (not gold) looked odd to me in that it was not as concaved as usual and seemed canted more rearwards than usual. Are those special as far as handling goes or otherwise?


I believe that would have been a euro market gun. Although some very early US guns had straight stocks, I think that was well before the solid rib was an option.


The fact that the barrel is marked "Acier Special" also suggests it wasn't made for the U. S. market. Barrels for the U. S. are usually marked "Special Steel".

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:30 pm  Reply with quote



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I read that Acier is French for steel, so that just refers to bbl material I guess. The bbl also has the 16 over C in a diamond which I understand makes it very early model, early 1920’s at latest. Any thoughts on desirability of something like this? Can’t figure out the choke. Bbl has an *over M. Does that mean modified choke?

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1929 Thomas Bland 16ga SxS 28"
1947 Browning A5 16ga 28"
1948 BRNO 16ga SxS 27.5"
1949 Stevens 530 16ga SxS 28"
1950 Stevens 311A 12ga SxS 30"
1952 BRNO 12ga SxS 28.25"
1963 Superposed O/U 12ga 27"
1968 V Bernardelli SxS 12ga 28"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:02 pm  Reply with quote



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16'er wrote:
wahoo wrote:
Hope I’m not hi jacking OP’s thread, but since it attracted sweet 16 fans, thought I’d throw in a quick question....Where is a good read to bone up on sweet 16’s vs standard A5 16s as far as the differences through the years? Think I might start looking for one to add to my 16ga line up. I only own one other auto, and it’s a 12ga 1100. Saw an early A5 16 recently for sale that was in the English style stock, solid rib, and said “Acier Special” on 28” bbl. Trigger (not gold) looked odd to me in that it was not as concaved as usual and seemed canted more rearwards than usual. Are those special as far as handling goes or otherwise?


I believe that would have been a euro market gun. Although some very early US guns had straight stocks, I think that was well before the solid rib was an option.

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1929 Thomas Bland 16ga SxS 28"
1947 Browning A5 16ga 28"
1948 BRNO 16ga SxS 27.5"
1949 Stevens 530 16ga SxS 28"
1950 Stevens 311A 12ga SxS 30"
1952 BRNO 12ga SxS 28.25"
1963 Superposed O/U 12ga 27"
1968 V Bernardelli SxS 12ga 28"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:05 pm  Reply with quote



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16'er wrote:
wahoo wrote:
Hope I’m not hi jacking OP’s thread, but since it attracted sweet 16 fans, thought I’d throw in a quick question....Where is a good read to bone up on sweet 16’s vs standard A5 16s as far as the differences through the years? Think I might start looking for one to add to my 16ga line up. I only own one other auto, and it’s a 12ga 1100. Saw an early A5 16 recently for sale that was in the English style stock, solid rib, and said “Acier Special” on 28” bbl. Trigger (not gold) looked odd to me in that it was not as concaved as usual and seemed canted more rearwards than usual. Are those special as far as handling goes or otherwise?


I believe that would have been a euro market gun. Although some very early US guns had straight stocks, I think that was well before the solid rib was an option.


Hmm, when did solid rib option begin? This bbl which has solid rib and two ivory beads, is proof marked to indicate 1923-24 production as well.

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1929 Thomas Bland 16ga SxS 28"
1947 Browning A5 16ga 28"
1948 BRNO 16ga SxS 27.5"
1949 Stevens 530 16ga SxS 28"
1950 Stevens 311A 12ga SxS 30"
1952 BRNO 12ga SxS 28.25"
1963 Superposed O/U 12ga 27"
1968 V Bernardelli SxS 12ga 28"
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Stack16 wrote:
It is a standard weight, on the left side of the receiver where the squiggle engraving is there is no interruption for "sweet sixteen" for a marked one, on the unmarked sweet 16 one it is interrupted with "Browning arms company St Louis Mo" plus the top of the BBL. does not have matte on top to the front site.

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Handy to know!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:50 pm  Reply with quote
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And then there is this one.

https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/817460638

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A few years ago I found an "A5 16 ga parts in box" for sale one day. Called the guy and arranged the purchase. It arrived as advertised: a bunch of parts in disarray. I put it on the shelf and didn't think much about it. Later I took it down and started cleaning it up. The metal turned out to be in very good condition, but the stock neck was a bunch of splinters. I noticed the drilled barrel ring and receiver milling, but it didn't say "Sweet Sixteen" on the side so I started doing some research. Turns out it is an "unmarked" Sweet 16, 1947 first year production sn X127YY. Shocked Needless to say, this is no longer a parts gun.

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