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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Shotgun/Rifle? |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:24 am
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Location: West MI
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Pardon if too silly for you, looking for distraction/levity all things considered...
Sparked the curiosity after reading another post regarding slugs and the Gent's sweet set up (probably a tack driver) w/rifled barrel and scope.
Thinking through it, if you have a rifled barrel on the "shotgun" set up for slugs; when does a shotgun quit being a shotgun and become a rifle?? |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:50 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Never, it is always a shotgun because of the way the cartridge works. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:03 am
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Joined: 07 Sep 2014
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I would say that while a rifled barrel is on a shotgun and it is being shot with slugs, that it would qualify as a rifle. A slug cartridge is a big centerfire rifle shell.
My Thompson Contender with a .410 barrel is? At my home club, we are allowed to shoot Skeet with them. Good thing we have a number of members with them, so you can always shoot the doubles two handed.
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:04 am
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Joined: 17 Oct 2019
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Location: New Jersey
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Whatever gun you choose make sure you have a cantilever barrel if it’s not a bolt action. Avoid a gun where the scope and barrel are separate like a scope mounted to the receiver of a pump or auto. |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:35 am
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Joined: 20 Jul 2011
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Location: Ohio..where ruffed grouse were
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Used to be a 12 gauge Deerslayer 26", with a peep.....whichever fosters worked best.
Tried a 2X scope, did not see an advantage for how and where I hunted.
Glad I missed much of the rifled barrel, sabot stuff. |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:02 am
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Location: Rochester, MN
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:11 pm
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Joined: 28 Jan 2018
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as long as a shotgun shell still fits in the chamber? |
_________________ al |
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:18 pm
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:27 am
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Location: Napoleon, MI
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I have two takes on this opinion...
Once you introduce a rifled barrel (not slug) to a shotgun platform, I would argue it becomes a rifled gun. Especially if using a Sabot (which is, in my mind, the only reason to have a rifled barrel on a shotgun platform). My argument in this camp, is that you have now increased effective range, and, possibly accuracy as a side benefit. You've most likely increased range of lethality as well. Hence my argument against Shotgun Only zones for "safety reasons" as we have in Michigan. I "get" the idea behind it on paper, but a projectile is just as dangerous at longer ranges no matter what rifled barrel/gun it is fired from.
On the other hand....I do not reload, so I may be way off track here, but I dont believe you could truly classify a shotgun as a rifle due to the much lower pressures associated with the shell design. I'm not sure how pressure in a shotgun barrel with a slug load compared to the pressure of a shot load...maybe it's the same. And how does it compare to say, a 45 caliber caplock muzzle loader, which is technically a rifle, but I'd think was higher pressure (maybe not, dont know).
I had considered a new .450 BushMaster bolt action for deer here in Michigan...and I was just about to go and buy one this season...then I really thought about how effective and accurate my 16ga guns with rifled Brenneke slugs and a smooth bore barrel have been. That pretty much killed the new rifle purchase. Just no nees for it. Sure, the .450 is a far more flexible cartridge, far more powerful, and has much greater range and accuracy...but I'm talking about 75yd shots max in lower Michigan...just not necessary (in my application).
Interesting stuff guys! |
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:08 am
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Location: West MI
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Interesting stuff...so looks to be shell/cartridge driven classification thing.
That purpose built 220 is an impressive one trick pony tool! |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
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Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:58 am
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Joined: 16 Jul 2015
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Location: Hudson,Wy
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Food for thought. Stick with a rib, the add a scope for "rifle work". Remove the scope and the gun becomes a super setup for close range woods work...as a shotgun. The rifled barrel will throw very open patterns. Use small shot for high pellet counts and you have a broad and effective pattern from 10-20 yards, and it's still a shotgun. |
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