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< 16ga. Guns ~ Citori Firing Pins |
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Fri May 01, 2020 12:15 pm
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Awhile back I posted about trying different firing pins and springs to get my Citori to reliably fire ALL ammo, new and reloaded. Mostly talking about the under barrel.
I tried aftermarket springs and pins from JP Custom Products. Well they sure as heck fired everything I fed it. BUT the pins were so long that after about 30 rounds the pins had been etched, because they were piercing ALL primers in ALL ammo. It got so bad that the firing pins were hanging up in the primers and locking up the shotgun.
Back to the drawing board.
So I tossed the JP springs and just tried a set of JP Firing Pins. So it took a little longer but the exact same thing happened with the lower pin being etched, piercing primers, hanging up in the primer and not allowing the action to be opened.
Once again, back to the drawing board.
This time I went to Numrich, whom I have had good luck with. I ordered a set of firing pins. When they came in they were definitely not for the small gauge Browning Citori receiver. Back they went, no problem. (I am thinking they were for the 16 ga. Browning 525....but not sure.)
I went to Brownell's and bought a new set of pins and springs and was assured they were made by Browning and were for the small gauge Citori receiver. This time every worked and has continued to work perfectly. No matter what ammo, new or reloaded, it fired. With no pierced primers, no etched pins, no pins hanging in the primer, nothing wrong, works as advertised.
Thought you may like to know. I hope this saves someone a headache or two. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Fri May 01, 2020 12:43 pm
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Joined: 21 Mar 2019
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Location: Texas
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Glad it worked out. I have several citori’s and haven’t had the pleasure of replacing any yet. Thanks for the info, should save me some time. I recently had some issues with my skb 410 doing the same thing. Would of had to order a special tool from skb to do them. Sent it to skb. 2 weeks turn around. They replaced all
springs and a bunch of other parts. Had them convert to mechanical trigger. No more problems. They also put a new pad on it. Under 400 for all work, parts and shipping. Very nice people to work with. |
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Fri May 01, 2020 1:08 pm
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Location: Amarillo, Texas
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:19 pm
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Mike,
I was specifically told the best thing would be to use J&P pins. I was shocked when it didn't work out. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:54 pm
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Joined: 07 Sep 2014
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I am going through the same thing with my 525 Sporting in 16 gauge. Shoots everything reliably except Remington Field and Game, which is what I prefer to shoot. Waiting for new pins and hammer springs from Browning right now after talking to them. Hope it works.
Bob |
_________________ Robert Kittine
Sag Harbor and Manhattan, New York
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16 Gauge O/U Browning 525 Sporting
16 Gauge SxS Rizzini Islide
16 Gauge Pump Browning BPS Upland
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Posted:
Fri May 01, 2020 4:00 pm
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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rkittine,
I had problems with new Remington, new RIO and reloaded Cheddite.
Reloaded Federal and Remington were fine. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Fri May 01, 2020 4:11 pm
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Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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Location: Mesquite, TX.
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I had trouble with the RGL's and found that the primers were set to low on a lot of
them. Never had had a problem with anything else.
Regards, Gordon |
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Sat May 02, 2020 4:55 am
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Joined: 07 Sep 2014
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Mark,
I have yet to have problems with Herters, Estates or RIOs, but haven't tried Cheddite.
Bob |
_________________ Robert Kittine
Sag Harbor and Manhattan, New York
WA2YDV
16 Gauge O/U Browning 525 Sporting
16 Gauge SxS Rizzini Islide
16 Gauge Pump Browning BPS Upland
16 Gauge Semi-Auto Remington 1100 Sporting |
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Sat May 02, 2020 3:14 pm
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Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Location: Minnesota and Florida
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Mark -- Sounds like those firing pins were simply too long, especially with breech opening problems. Did you check firing pin protrusion from the breechface during installation? Guns can all be a little different. I would not expect a machine-made gun like a Citori to vary much, gun-to-gun, but they might year-to-year. Also, an aftermarket parts supplier will likely make his firing pins long so they can be trimmed to suit. Firing pins should be nicely rounded and protrusion should be about .055 to .070 inch. Go for .060" or about 1/16th inch. |
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Sun May 03, 2020 6:42 am
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Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Location: Virginia
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Is this something specific to 16-gauge Citoris? I have never encountered it in my 20 and 28 guns. |
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Sun May 03, 2020 8:19 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Dan-Lee
I believe these were the Citori's made about 2010 or so? Not sure on the year they were made. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Sun May 03, 2020 8:26 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Maximum the upper was about 0.060". The lower, which gave the most problem was 0.075".
I ASSUMED and probably incorrectly, that these pins were hardened and I didn't want to remove any material. No instructions with any real insight came with the J & P pins.
But even after I shortened the lower pin, put Browning springs in it, the lower pin cratered almost immediately and started hanging up in the primers. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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