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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Grouse gun! |
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:52 pm
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Joined: 09 Aug 2007
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Location: WI
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I've been lucky enough to add another grouse gun to my collection - a 1916 Parker VH 16 gauge #0 frame, choked Skeet I/Skeet II, 2-9/16in chambers, with 26in barrels.
Weighs in at 5 lbs 12.8 oz - an ounce more than my 1927 A.H. Fox A Grade with 28" barrels.
Now I have two "sunny day" grouse guns!
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:57 am
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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nj gap,
Outstanding pick up, you will enjoy Grouse hunting with your 16 gauge Parker big time, now you need a 16 gauge L.C. Smith so you have the big 3 of American Classics to Grouse hunt with.
Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man |
Last edited by Pine Creek/Dave on Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:05 pm; edited 1 time in total _________________ "L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:47 am
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Joined: 17 Oct 2019
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Location: New Jersey
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NJgsp, you’ve done very, very well with that one. That’s my dream gun though I’d prefer 28”s. I’ve been hunting with a Trojan 16 this year and love it. Parker’s are just the right balance of everything needed and wanted in the grouse woods. A friend had one nearly identical. I’d love to know where you got it as I really don’t talk to him any longer. |
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:32 pm
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Location: WI
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Yes, an L.C. Smith in 16 is next on my list.
It was a private party sale here in the upper Midwest. |
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
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Location: WI
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And I was told wrong on the chokes. It measures IC/ LM |
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:57 pm
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Joined: 17 Oct 2019
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Location: New Jersey
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I love my Sterlingworth and my Trojan but they just don’t get much better than that for an uplands gun. Good luck with it. Are you originally from NJ? |
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:47 pm
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Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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Location: Nebraska
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nj gsp wrote: |
And I was told wrong on the chokes. It measures IC/ LM
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What were you expecting Skeet I and II to measure? |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:27 pm
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Location: WI
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kgb wrote: |
nj gsp wrote: |
And I was told wrong on the chokes. It measures IC/ LM
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What were you expecting Skeet I and II to measure?
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They barrels measured 0.661 and 0.654. |
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Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:17 pm
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Location: Nebraska
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nj gsp wrote: |
kgb wrote: |
nj gsp wrote: |
And I was told wrong on the chokes. It measures IC/ LM
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What were you expecting Skeet I and II to measure?
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They barrels measured 0.661 and 0.654.
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Are those measurements at the muzzle, if so what do the bores measure, and what does that mean in relation to IC/LM vs. Skeet I and Skeet II? |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:47 pm
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Location: WI
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Measured at the muzzle, and I do not have a bore gauge so the choke guesstimate is based on the standard barrel dimension for a 16 gauge. Anyway, the difference of a thousandth or two either way doesn’t matter that much to me. |
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:42 am
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It does indicate you've likely got a .007" difference between the two which is at least a half step and as much as a full step between chokes.
What do you estimate they've got as far as constrictions to make them IC and LF, and what should they have had to make them Skeet I and II as you originally figured? |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:41 pm
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Location: WI
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http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1531
Gauge 16
True Bore Dia. .667
Cylinder Bore .000 - .667
Skeet I .004 - .663
Improved Cyl. .007 - .660
Skeet II .010 - .657
Modified .015 - .652
Improved Mod. .020 - .647
Full Choke .028 - .639
Extra Full .035 - .632 |
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:48 pm
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Location: Nebraska
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Looks like your LM just squeezes in between Skeet II and Mod, although if the bore is off a couple .000" either way it might be right on the money of either one. Good luck with it, patterning may show whether it holds patterns tight enough for grouse or if it's best to keep to the thickets and birds like woodcock, quail and ruffs. Pretty gun, with the right amount of wear and nice barrels! |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:27 pm
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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KGB,
Kirk hope all is well in your neck of the woods, I agree 100% about his gun.
Getting ready to return to the log cabin in Potter/Tioga. Just voted and am starting to pack. Waiting on my new Grouse boots to arrive so I can once again have dry warm feet while hunting.
Can't wait to use my #5 L.C. Smith this season, along with the Crescent Hammer Gun and the newly acquired 00, 20 gauge.
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man |
_________________ "L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers |
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Posted:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:48 pm
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Joined: 20 Jul 2011
Posts: 625
Location: Ohio..where ruffed grouse were
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nj gsp wrote: |
I've been lucky enough to add another grouse gun to my collection - a 1916 Parker VH 16 gauge #0 frame, choked Skeet I/Skeet II, 2-9/16in chambers, with 26in barrels.
Weighs in at 5 lbs 12.8 oz - an ounce more than my 1927 A.H. Fox A Grade with 28" barrels.
Now I have two "sunny day" grouse guns!
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Beautiful old classic...well done, OP.
Tried to follow your reckoning on the barrels but was lost somewhere around the SK2 and LM differences.
Chokes appear less a measurement and more a range of measurements with an efficiency and label delivered by patterning.
Measuring the end of the barrel is slightly more analytical than the dime manner of choke determination. |
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