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Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

I've been lucky enough to add another grouse gun to my collection - a 1916 Parker VH 16 gauge #0 frame, choked Skeet I/Skeet II, 2-9/16in chambers, with 26in barrels.

Weighs in at 5 lbs 12.8 oz - an ounce more than my 1927 A.H. Fox A Grade with 28" barrels.

Now I have two "sunny day" grouse guns! Very Happy

nj gap,

Outstanding pick up, you will enjoy Grouse hunting with your 16 gauge Parker big time, now you need a 16 gauge L.C. Smith so you have the big 3 of American Classics to Grouse hunt with.

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

Joined: 17 Oct 2019 Posts: 455 Location: New Jersey

NJgsp, you’ve done very, very well with that one. That’s my dream gun though I’d prefer 28”s. I’ve been hunting with a Trojan 16 this year and love it. Parker’s are just the right balance of everything needed and wanted in the grouse woods. A friend had one nearly identical. I’d love to know where you got it as I really don’t talk to him any longer.

Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

Yes, an L.C. Smith in 16 is next on my list.

It was a private party sale here in the upper Midwest.

Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

And I was told wrong on the chokes. It measures IC/ LM

Joined: 17 Oct 2019 Posts: 455 Location: New Jersey

I love my Sterlingworth and my Trojan but they just don’t get much better than that for an uplands gun. Good luck with it. Are you originally from NJ?

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

Measured at the muzzle, and I do not have a bore gauge so the choke guesstimate is based on the standard barrel dimension for a 16 gauge. Anyway, the difference of a thousandth or two either way doesn’t matter that much to me.

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

It does indicate you've likely got a .007" difference between the two which is at least a half step and as much as a full step between chokes.

What do you estimate they've got as far as constrictions to make them IC and LF, and what should they have had to make them Skeet I and II as you originally figured?

Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 444 Location: WI

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1531

Gauge 16
True Bore Dia. .667
Cylinder Bore .000 - .667
Skeet I .004 - .663
Improved Cyl. .007 - .660
Skeet II .010 - .657
Modified .015 - .652
Improved Mod. .020 - .647
Full Choke .028 - .639
Extra Full .035 - .632

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

Looks like your LM just squeezes in between Skeet II and Mod, although if the bore is off a couple .000" either way it might be right on the money of either one. Good luck with it, patterning may show whether it holds patterns tight enough for grouse or if it's best to keep to the thickets and birds like woodcock, quail and ruffs. Pretty gun, with the right amount of wear and nice barrels!

KGB,

Kirk hope all is well in your neck of the woods, I agree 100% about his gun.

Getting ready to return to the log cabin in Potter/Tioga. Just voted and am starting to pack. Waiting on my new Grouse boots to arrive so I can once again have dry warm feet while hunting.

Can't wait to use my #5 L.C. Smith this season, along with the Crescent Hammer Gun and the newly acquired 00, 20 gauge.

all the best,

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man