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MSM2019
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:50 am  Reply with quote



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I had Activ hulls separate after a few firings but I can't remember the circumstances, but they were complete hull shoot-offs with nothing remaining in the chamber/barrel. I never used Activ hulls for heavy hunting loads, because we had plenty of good Winchester CF's and Remington hulls back then.

Some folks really like Activ stuff, I was always in between, because of the hull separations. I was sad to see them go though because they were another 16 gauge option and they encouraged reloading.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am  Reply with quote
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Skidoo Where did you get the recipe you posted? Was there a velocity listed? Just my memory but seems like 18.0 of green dot with the sg16 and a w209 in a fed or cheddite would get you to 1200. No idea what 19.5 would get you to but perhaps too much for a vintage double, but you haven't mentioned what gun(s) you want to use it for. Can anyone confirm my memory? Nothing on Alliants site anymore.

I'm also +1 on the belief that 10z in a sg16 will not cause barrel leading. Didn't we have this same concern about doing 7/8oz with a DR16 when it first came out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:52 am  Reply with quote



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Lymans 4th edition shot shell reloading handbook ,16 ga 2 3/4 federal plastic case paper base wad fold crimp, green dot 19.5 gr, fed 209a primer,activ-g28 wad velocity1253fps,,10,800 l u p. Winchester model 24 shotgun,
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:02 pm  Reply with quote
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I still have a sealed factory bag of Activ 16ga G28 wads, and yes, they are identical to the Gualandi SG16.
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Msm and Dan Lee are right. The activ wad, g28, is just a gualandi 16 ga wad that is still made.
I have a bag of the Activ g28 wads. I see now roadkill also posted. Yes, they are the same as the sg16. My g28 are white. I have like 150 of the 16ga activ hulls, so bought those wads in the early 90s.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:47 am  Reply with quote
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df wrote:
Maybe Iím missing something, but lead shot scrubbing on a steel barrel does not concern me. I would use wads that have a deeper shot cup, if they were available, but if not, I donít sweat it.
Will the barrel be damaged, I seriously doubt it. Will the shot have a small flat spot where it rubbed the barrel, I suppose.
Iíve used the wads you mention where the shot is not fully protected by being inside the wad. They worked just fine.


Mankind got by for a couple hundred years with nothing between the barrel and lead shot. I started hunting before the era of plastic shot cups. Just keep the bore brush handy.Razz

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df wrote:
Maybe Iím missing something, but lead shot scrubbing on a steel barrel does not concern me. I would use wads that have a deeper shot cup, if they were available, but if not, I donít sweat it.
Will the barrel be damaged, I seriously doubt it. Will the shot have a small flat spot where it rubbed the barrel, I suppose.
Iíve used the wads you mention where the shot is not fully protected by being inside the wad. They worked just fine.


Mankind got by for a couple hundred years with nothing between the barrel and lead shot. I started hunting before the era of plastic shot cups. Just keep the bore brush handy.Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:55 am  Reply with quote



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Just keep the bore brush handy


Yeah no kidding!!

I thought I would try some card and fiber wads using Circle Fly stuff. Loaded up 100 and went skeet shooting.

I am very glad that my Beretta has chrome lined bores, even then it was a PITA to get rid of the lead.

Incredibly, I tried some Alcan Combo wads (Air Wedge glued to a Feltan Bluestreak) and there was a lot less lead in the bores.

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Mark:
Was the fiber wads ring waxed from circlefly? I loaded some with wads from BP and I waxed them with tallow. It added a little extra work, but didnít notice any leading, maybe I didnít shoot enough of them.
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RGuill96971,

Circle Fly stuff is not waxed. I learned why they should be. Laughing

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Good to know. Guess the extra work, was worth it.
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re - Activ wads :

Lyman 4th, in my edition, in the wad section, shows a picture of the Activ 16g wad - which looks identical to the Giulandi SG16.

Activ data sheets enclosed in factory bags of 12g wads itemises ( with images ) their "own" 12 and 20 g wads. There is footnote to the effect that 16g wads were to be made available in the near future. Their own 12 and 20 g wads appear to have a noticeably different construction to that of the type on display in Lyman. Presumably at some time the Activ company marketed the G wad under their brand name but it may be possible that the company did make and sell one of their own design before selling the G wad.

My 2c on the proposed load of 19.5gr Green Dot over a hot primer like Fed 209 A is going to be upper end pressure. I would proceed with caution, just as the late, great Joe Speroni recommended in load testing - start LOW and work UP.
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harkom wrote:

Lyman 4th, in my edition, in the wad section, shows a picture of the Activ 16g wad - which looks identical to the Giulandi SG16.


The Lyman pic does not show the bottom of the powder cup. Activ's G-28 was identical to the SG16S. The difference is the SG16 has a bunch of little fingers down there to take up space. The SG16S does not.

harkom wrote:
Activ data sheets enclosed in factory bags of 12g wads itemises ( with images ) their "own" 12 and 20 g wads. There is footnote to the effect that 16g wads were to be made available in the near future.


Activ did make their own 12 and 20 gauge wads. I have not yet made up my mind about the G-32. It feels like it is made of the same plastic as the Activs and it does not look like the typical Gualiandi wad.

harkom wrote:
My 2c on the proposed load of 19.5gr Green Dot over a hot primer like Fed 209 A is going to be upper end pressure.


I am loading 7/8 oz of shot over 20 grains of Green Dot using a SG16 wad in a variety of hulls and primers. Perhaps I should send it off for testing, but I probably won't since I've used this load for the past decade and more.
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DanLee,

The G-32, I 'THINK' that Graf sold that wad as 'Cheddite', not that I think it was a Cheddite wad. But it was available for quite awhile, as in 15 years or so.


I found a partial bag the other day.



Do these match up with what you have?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:02 pm  Reply with quote
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Yes, that matches what I have exactly. So it must be a Gualiandi wad after all. Thanks!

Now I wonder what Gualiandi's designation for these wads was; BPI, Grafs, and whoever else sold them had their own monikers for them. It's enough to make a reloader think about going back to card wads and fillers!
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