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Lloyd3
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:23 pm  Reply with quote



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It is confusing, clearly. There are no 16 gauge pumps built on a gauge-specific frame. In the mass production-era processes that produced essentially all the pump shotguns, there were only ever two frame sizes made, 12 and 20 gauge. Some 16s are built on 20 gauge frames and are, accordingly, really quite light (Model 12s and Model 37s come to mind), but most are 16 gauge barrels on 12 gauge frames. The 870 is not an exception here.

Mr. Davis would have you believe that 870s are inherently lighter because they were based on a somewhat smaller initial 11-48 frame but....after that they got heavier with every passing year of production. The lightest 870 I've ever encountered was the one that started this post, most likely made in 1950-51.


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tramroad28
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:36 pm  Reply with quote



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Lloyd3 wrote:
It is confusing, clearly. There are no 16 gauge pumps built on a gauge-specific frame. In the mass production process that produced essentially all pump shotguns, there were only two frame sizes made, 12 and 20 gauge. Some 16s are built on 20 gauge frames and are, accordingly, really light (Model 12 and Model 37), but most are 16 gauge barrels on 12 gauge frames. The 870 is not an exception here.


I thought the Model 37 had a 16 gauge dedicated frame.....guess not.
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Lloyd3
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:27 pm  Reply with quote



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Nothing like resurrecting an effectively dead post. I happened to be up in Conifer Colorado last Wednesday and stopped in to see my buddy at Mountain Guns. They still have that very early and very light 870 in 16 and I asked him to weigh it on their digital scale. 6lbs 3 ounces.

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