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Achorba
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:51 pm  Reply with quote



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Iím looking for a Nickel Steel Winchester Model 12 in 16 bore. Needs to be post 1928ish, therefore being 2.75 inch chamber. Needs to be functional, no cracks in stock etc. PM with details.
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4setters
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:24 pm  Reply with quote
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A.

Well, I have a Model 12 (1952), so that makes me an expert, right? No, I am far from an expert, but the info I have at hand suggest that nickle steel barrels were used from 1912 until around 1930, when Winchester Proof Steel was put on the market. Given that the change from 2 9/16th chambers to 2 and 3/4 occurred about the same time, you have narrowed the search considerably.

Hopefully, someone who knows a lot more than I do about the specifics of Model 12s will prove me wrong, thus broadening the number of guns that would have both of these characteristics (nickel steel and 2.75 chambers). Good luck with your search.

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Achorba
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:41 pm  Reply with quote



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I do believe you are correct. I would consider an early 30ís prior to the thickened butt stock, after I have exhausted my search for a nickel steel.
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skeettx
PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:44 pm  Reply with quote
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Something like this?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910657882


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Achorba
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:40 am  Reply with quote



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skeettx wrote:
Something like this?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910657882


Almost, but I do not believe this gun to be 2 3/4. If my research is correct the switch began around 1928. Unless stamped 2 3/4 on the barrel, it is likely 2 9/16. Beautiful gun, though. Iím curious who completes the restoration.
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Flues16
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:58 am  Reply with quote
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Many of the old 16 gauge Nickel Steel Model 12s have been converted to 2 3/4" chambers over the past 60 years or so. One of those would be easier to find than an actual Nickel Steel 16ga originally chambered for the longer shells. I had a gunsmith convert my 1919-era Model 1912 to 2 3/4" about 25 years ago and it works fine. But I realize this would affect any collector value the gun might have.

Here is an old discussion on this subject: http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20388&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=winchester

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MSM2019
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:59 am  Reply with quote



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Can I ask.....why not a 2 9/16" chamber? I have a Model 12 made in 1916 with the short chamber. I feed it 2 1/2" reloads with no issue. No issue reloading the shells either. You can either setup a MEC single stage for 2 1/2" or roll crimp.

I believe that you can find new factory ammo through RST if you don't reload.

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Achorba
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:36 am  Reply with quote



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MSM2019 wrote:
Can I ask.....why not a 2 9/16" chamber? I have a Model 12 made in 1916 with the short chamber. I feed it 2 1/2" reloads with no issue. No issue reloading the shells either. You can either setup a MEC single stage for 2 1/2" or roll crimp.

I believe that you can find new factory ammo through RST if you don't reload.


This would be my dedicated duck gun, and I would be shooting bismuth. I donít mind shooting short RST small game loads, but their bismuth is over $60 a box when I last checked. I have just started reloading and have not ventured into non-tox loads quite yet. Still trying to learn the basics.
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skeettx
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:20 am  Reply with quote
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Nickle Steel and 2 2/4 Chamber

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910647219

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pumpgun
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:25 pm  Reply with quote
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I have a '29, and it's 2 3/4 and Winchester proof steel. It also had the perch belly buttstock, which I swapped for a post-war buttstock that fit me better.
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Achorba
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:44 pm  Reply with quote



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skeettx wrote:
Nickle Steel and 2 2/4 Chamber

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/910647219


Hoping I can come across something a little more presentable. The added choke doesnít do much for me either. Iíve searched high and low on the gun auction sites Nothing worth having or they are listed at ridiculous prices. Thank you, though.
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