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The problem as I see it, is that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with sporting weapons in the first place. It is about the right to keep and bear arms against tyranny. That means tyranny from any source be it the thug down the street who would beat your head in for the spare change in your pocket, the megalomaniac in a foreign country who would br happy to trample your rights and existance into the ground, a large group of your neighbors who don't think much of your ethnicity or race, to the fools in congrees who think you are too dumb to exist without their supervision.

However, there is a clause in the 2nd Amendment that refers to a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state. In our country today, the government does not want a well trained population in any repect. They want fat, dumb, and happy constituents who are easy to lead and easier to fleece.

The end result is that nobody is watching the store anymore, and lunatics like the bird hunting rifleman go about armed inflicting their own brand of tyranny on those they meet. Nothing is more dangerous than an unregulated militia. That is nothing but an armed mob.

Training and education not only produces competant gun owners, but also weeds out those who are not suitable for training in arms or gun ownership. A well run national arms education course would go a long way in solving many of our oproblems. the problem with that is that every gun hating fool in congrees would attempt to make the process unpassable.

Perhaps it is then up to the citizenry to demand better training and a more intelligent approach to a well regulated militia by those who are foremost in supporting the 2nd Amendment like the NRA. They do help some, but I think they need to re-evaluate their priorities and put more emphasis and effort into training their constituents more, as well as helping weed out the tyrants among he gun owners at large. After all is said and done, we need less politiking and more regulating. Then let the bastards and tyrants come. We will be ready.

16GG

HEAR!!! HEAR!!!!

Jim H. Smile

It seems to me that we had all better get our act together. Check out the following link. The other side is organized. From the discussion on this and other fora, I'm not so sure that we are.

http://www2.stopthenra.com/

Jim Hubbard Mad

16gaugeguy. If I understand you right, you want to have the same thing as the Swiss or like they have in Isreal. Everybody is required to spend time in the military. Even after the Swiss are required to be in the reserve and have a weapon in there home. Who are these people hunting birds with rifles? I don't know any and have never seen any. The line ends;the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. There is no period, just a comma. There is a lot of training available out there. I know there is in Minnesota anyway, also through the NRA.

This topic discussion has caused me to think a bit about my own opinions. I also have little use for owning military-type weapons when I am a civilian (right now I have to carry a couple of them regularly), and I have also tended to think poorly about the gunshow guys who unlike me are very interested in such weapons. But I am remembering that in the USA we have the right to do what we want whether other people like it or not. Those guys who want to have military stuff for shooting or collecting are exercising their liberty, and it does not matter if I personally agree with them. Just like some people like art or music or church or racy books, the rest of us should mind our own business. And I will try to do that.

Member Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 602 Location: western pa

Golfswithwolves,Thanks for being over there for us. Liberty is a helluva lot more important than most of our society knows. Come home soon and take your 16 out for some fun.

Member Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 450 Location: Indiana

I don't mind if there are fellows who want the military weapons. Thier not my cup of tea and have no use for one but if youl live in this country you can have your own flavor.

Seriouslly, Liberty is a hell-of-a price to pay and it is fought everday. On the battlefield in Iraq and several other countries we don't think about while we rest at night. I sometime look at what I have and just stare at my wife think of the three kids we raised and both about to retire in less than two years. I think all of the struggles that has taken place in the past by people that didn't want to be in that kind of situtation but was thrust into it and seen it thru. Many did not get the chance to finish the life they were fighting for but left it for us to live and guard the life they perserved.

We all come home from out jobs step in the door and grab our gun or guns, dog, ammo , hunting close and head back out the door before the wife tells us about some honey-du's she has. and off we go.

This is just one cerneriio ( don't know how to spell that one. ) that goes on in this country almost everyday somewhere. We don't need to report to some agency to get our gun or sign our life away for the ammo. Hell we can even make our own and its legal.

To every country I've been two on business their were laws and rules the were designed to protect the powerful people and not the People. Its has always seem that common sense was always lost or pushed aside for the better of the powerful because the people looked the other way.

I have seen in the past 25 yrs that it is becomming common here to look the otherway while the little righteous liberals sneak in and get their way.
Well as much as I hate to say I don't have that many more years till I will be pushing up posies and if we let thing slide by now then the liberals won't have a right to sneak in and get what they thing is right because their won't be any common sense people armed to protect their back side. They don't think that would happen but I promise you this. And it seems to becomming true. (Krucheve-forget the spelling- stated and he was talking about big business in america. If you give the american enough money he will buy his own rope to hang himself.) Only the soviets did it first. We are turning our heads the other way.

....well, for what it's worth, I have to agree with you, and frankly, admire your courage in stating your point of view on that "nameless site"..... remember the old term "silent majority"? I think that most of us gunowners fit into that category, and that's why I joined the NRA: to let them fight for my rights, even though they are fighting for the rights of the "questionable" gun owners that you pointed out, too..... It's not a perfect world, is it?

It's kind of like the one slob hunter out there who leaves gates open and cuts fences and litters and forces the land owner to shut the other 99% of us out along with the offender.... most of us are decent honest guys, and it seems as though it's the tiny fraction that always wrecks things for everybody else....