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ok, so I missed the sauer in the clunker catagory, my bad, sorry

PGG, just posted on the other site about your rifle. you have the original stock still?
Just got my simson back from my stock guy. Came out the nuts. got rid of the sling hardware , put a brass shield over the hole. I hope the sauer comes back as nice as what he did on the simson

Member Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 665 Location: Louisiana

Rats! I'd just love to chime in here but I believe everything useful to be said has been. Confused

what the hay, chime in anyway

Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 743

Post-war, Sauer/Simson/Merkel (except the W. German Sauers) were all essentially the same guns. That's a pretty good price you mention, PGG.

Speaking of Sauers breaking . . . I was up at the UP sxs Shoot last summer, saw a neat old Sauer 20 on Bryan Bilinski's table. Up there, most of the dealers will let you shoot their used guns if you're interested. Bryan offered; I took him up on it. They had a 4 stand setup, all singles. I call for the bird, pull front trigger, click. I check for misfire, primer not dented. Repeat, same result. So I switch to the left barrel, then run the little course shooting the tight choke. I take it back to Bryan, who asks me what I think. I tell him I'm definitely interested, but prefer a gun on which both barrels actually fire. He was very embarrassed (not really his fault--he'd taken the gun in on consignment about an hour before I picked it up), but we ended up making the deal--at a reduced price, for a repaired gun. I'm not a huge 20ga fan, but once that one had a new hammer made, I shot it very well. Ended up parting with it, which I sometimes regret. But the new owner also shoots it well, so don't expect he'll tempt me by offering to sell it back to me.

Yea PGG, I have one. It's my rain, sea duck, going sharking , don't worry about the damage to it , clunker.........

Just kidding. nice . lite, long barreled , sub $600.00 gun that I'll be out of for the grand range

The main problem with the Elsies is that they will develop cracks behind the lock plates. . I use my old elsie for grouse hunting. Low pessure shells and no problem. Larry, what you say carries a lot of weight, not only on this forum but others as well. I think when you make a statement, such as this you should go farther in and say why these stocks crack. A little staement like the slsiea will crack behind the lockplate, from you can mean something. You are acting like the snobs out on the pointer forum. Choose your words carefully and the define what you are saying.

Member Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 972 Location: Keller,TX

Oldhunter, my brother, no need to chide brother Larry.Most folks would probably ask the question WHY do they crack, anyway. Not all Smith stocks do, by the way.

Poor inletting at the head and around the locks, is the answer. Shooting too heavy loads and not checking the stock for shrinkage and or water /oil/solvent damage causes the problems.

Sometimes we forget that not everyone has the knowledge we have. I certainly don't know all that much, and I'm still learning.We all learn in different ways, but I think the best is by asking questions of knowledgeable people. However, I would't try to answer a question that hasn't been asked.

If anybody is interested, Elsie guru revdoc gave me 2 names of very good "Elsie crack docs", and I sent mine off to one of them. They perform "surgery" and use a combo of small metal pins, glues, and glass bedding on the main pressure points, that ultimately render your Elsie "uncrackable" after any cracks are fixed.... so there IS a solution for the Elsie that develops cracks, if needed, and the work is reasonably priced, IMO.... and well worth the expense to keep a beauty in the field, also like buying insurance against further damage, too... Smile

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