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I noticed on my last order of BP 16g hulls (now they're Red) (these are really cheddites I'm told,) that they have reduced the brass height. Any comments?
Question #2: Is a cheddite primer pretty much interchangeable witha Win209?
Thanks guys.

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Americans have fallen for the "high brass" notion for many decades Embarassed

This is a marketing pitch only.The internal dimensions are what matters--not the height of the brass.Besides the less brass they use the cheaper it is to manufacture--not that they would give us a price break Evil or Very Mad

Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 311

Alliant powder sent me an e-mail not long ago stating that CCI209, Remington 209STS, Win 209, or Nobelsport 209 could all be subbed for the Cheddite.

I was always under the impression that the CCI209 were a little milder. In Lyman's 5th Edition of Shotgun Reloading, you can see the difference in pressures between the different primers using the same componants. So maybe if you don't mind higher pressures you could follow their advise, but for low-pressure loads I wouldn't.
Cheddite hulls have the 4 stars on the head, and yes the "high brass doesn't mean anything, used to mean years ago that they were higher pressure and velocity.
As far as the heads being brass, I think only Federal Premium, Rem RTS, Premier, Nitro, and Winchester AA are the only real brass heads, the others are plated.

Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 4 Location: Southbury, CT

Hi, folks;

New member here.
I got a bag of hulls directly from BPI recently and they were green with the *16*16* etc. on the base and low (8mm) brass. I then ordered a bag of the same thing (BPI) from MidwayUSA and got dark blue -- same *16*16* -- but with high brass. I checked both bags and they had the same part number! Confused

I do know of a difference between high and low, though. I'm reloading for my wife's Stoeger Uplander to use in Cowboy Action Shooting. We are not allowed to have ejectors, only extractors. Since it is a timed event, most competitors hone out the cylinders so tipping up the barrels lets the fired hulls fall out by gravity to reload faster. Higher brass means more friction. Most reloading competitors (those using 16 ga., anyway) try to find Cheddite low brass, since it falls out really nicely. Laughing

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Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 311

[quote="David"]I was always under the impression that the CCI209 were a little milder. In Lyman's 5th Edition of Shotgun Reloading, you can see the difference in pressures between the different primers using the same componants. So maybe if you don't mind higher pressures you could follow their advise, but for low-pressure loads I wouldn't.
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I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say?

Alliant did indeed inform me that the above listed primers could be subbed for a Cheddite. If a Cheddite is "hotter" than a CCI209 then why would it result in higher pressure?

Or were you trying to say that if you subbed a CCI209 for a hotter Cheddite in a low pressure load that would lower the pressure of an already low pressure load and possibly result in a blooper?

I started reloading in the dark ages before the internet. When I started all the manuals and gunwriters told you to never sub a component on a shotshell load. I have in the past read that a "mild" primer may lead to an excess pressure situation if subbed for a "hot" primer thru some sort of ballistic vodoo. I now conclude that's bunk. I have twice now had Alliant tell me what primers I can sub for in their data. On one load I was told if I subbed a Federal 209A to reduce powder charge by one grain. Conclusion, you can sub a milder primer for a hotter primer.