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Mike Campbell has created and tested loads with the SG20L wad in the 16 ga RGL hull. I am curious if anyone has attempted or thought of using the documented 20 ga load data with that wad and transferring it into the 16 ga RGL hull. Any speculation of the fit or pressure that would occur? I am wondering if there is any possibility of more loads being practical for our 16 ga use.

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I accidentally loaded some 20 ga Windjammer wads in some black RGL 16 ga hulls, and it didn't work worth a crap. Shooting skeet from station one, I immediately knew something was wrong from the weak "POP" the gun made. I went out to the middle and found my blue colored wad and immediately knew what I had done. I went ahead and shot the rest of them up just to get rid of them and even broke some clays. I can't imagine encouraging anyone to use a 20 ga wad in a 16 ga hull.

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Riflemeister , I think your problem was more powder migration .

The SG20L works great in the RGL hull .

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It's an insane idea!! Shocked

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Mark,

Please, I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way, but why would you order SG20L instead of SG16 or SG16s for use in a 16 gauge. I am assuming this is a result of ordering some SG20L for use in 20 gauge and just applying what ya got?

If not, I am curious if you feel your getting better pattern results using the SG20L in RGL on 7/8 oz loads?

The reason I am interested is I am planning to get more into trap and skeet next spring-fall and considering my load options. Currently I was planning to use International/Green Dot in a RGL with the CB78.

SG16 wads are too big to fit RGL hulls which have a smaller internal diameter. Bulging and splitting occur. Another good option are Federal 20 ga wads. They have worked very well in the RGL hull for me in the past.

what GG said .... 20L's and 20 SI's are almost exactly if not , the diameter of Rem SP"S . And amazingly , guys keep bringing me 20SI's of late !!

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http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3088&sid=8ad667f26effb6059c8de2c74df57da3

I had a bag or two of orange dusters, but never used them. Sold them to a guy who loads lots of twenty, he was happy. I think I have the Data at home in a file for the Orange Duster 16ga load.

Cheers.

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Charlie for 7/8 oz in straight walled hulls I use the SG16 for 2 1/2" and the DR16 for 2 3/4 "

For 7/8 oz in the RGL hull , I would now use the CB 7/8 oz wad but the SG20L works just as good .

Like said before the SG16 wads are too tight for the RGL

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I wonder what ever happened to Lenard Lemke. He used to post here and there on the net, nice guy and astute shotgunner. He went by "Sagerat" at some web sites. I suspect he passed away. Anyway, Lenard pioneered the use of 20 gauge wads in 16 gauge hulls in the early 2000's. He was actually having decent luck with the Orange Duster, but I got nothing but floopers with them. At the time 2003-04 I was not having good luck with the SG-16 wad fitting in RGL hulls, so I deduced that the 20 ga. Gualandi wads were also large diameter for gauge, tried some, and they worked rather well. Got the load tested in 2004, specs were good, and I've ran with it exclusively for 7/8 and 3/4 oz loads in the RGL case ever since. I still use them for all of my RGL target loads, and now use the DR-16 and Claybuster 0078 for 7/8 oz loads in the bigger hulls (Ched/Fed).

It's all here buried in the archives.

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I echo what Dave has written. I've had very good luck with several 20 ga wads in Rem and older Win (non cheddite) hulls when WAA 16 wads were scarce. All of those old Win hulls are now gone. So I haven't done much with 20 ga. wads in the 16 since our Orange claybuster wad tests.

One of these days I plan to test some 3/4 oz 20 ga. Claybuster wads in the black remington hulls using our old 7/8 oz. low pressure recipes. Need to try some using 20/28 powder as well. Could be a very nice skeet/sporting clays load.

Thank you all for comments and advice. Here is a table of data that lists a few SG20L loads:

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/load_recipes/loads_pdf/mh202a1_200604105.pdf

Any speculation about reduced pressure in a 16 ga hull and maybe the need to use in a 2 1/2 inch hull? Testing would be needed after obtaining a decent fitting load.

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There are all kinds of variables. Use powder that is too slow and you get dirty loads with lots of unburned powder. I tried Unique back when I was experimenting and it was too slow and the unburned flakes were actually binding my Merkel 1620 action.

I also don't think the SG20L is a good match for anything but a 16 ga. RGL or older Win compression-formed case. The bigger cases are just inviting powder migration and simply have too much capacity. As I look at that data you linked i don't see one entry with which I'd build a 16 ga. load. For light loads, powders which are adequately fast & clean-burning in a 20 are a bit slow burning in the 16. Same relationship holds from the 16 to 12 gauge.

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