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den
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 2:09 pm  Reply with quote



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Are there any recipes for bismuth, cheddite hulls? Thanks.
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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:28 pm  Reply with quote



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Check BPI's load of the week Archive file. They love Cheddites and have data.
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skeettx
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:38 pm  Reply with quote
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https://www.ballisticproducts.com/load16_09_30.htm


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Carlos
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I hunt ducks in a marsh at the mouth of the Fraser, from a canoe. I go with my SIL. and one paddles while the other keeps a gun at the ready. I have made a few loads for my older doubles with NICE shot but yesterday I ordered 10 # of Bismuth #5s from Rotometals. I am doing my best to avoid the common, cheaper but dreaded steel loads.

I wish to load for both 12 ga and 16. I am a member of the reloading group. I have Federal and BPI hulls, SP16 wads and a lifetime supply of Herco. Two questions, to start;
1. In the tables, am I correct in assuming that shot quantity is shown by actual weight? (Bismuth is more bulky, by about 15% I believe.)
2. The most common powder for bismuth loads in the 16 ga. tables is Longshot. Should I buy some, or can Herco be used? p.s; I have one unopened can of 7625. (The Hodgdon data seems to prefer Longshot, with some Universal loads.)

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3. Where can I locate 12 ga. Bismuth data? NOTE: I just found this;- https://www.loaddata.com/Shotgun/2-34-Federal-Gold-Medal-Plastic-Shells/305 And several loads on the Hodgdon site. Alliant has loads with Blue Dot.
4. I have several older Husqvarna guns with short chambers and will likely try to find a moderate 16 ga. load to use the Hartin crimp. Any problems?

P.S: I found a part bottle of Universal in my powder store. That takes care of the 16 gauge. LONGSHOT, and most other powders are still in short supply, or unobtainable here on Vancouver Island.


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skeettx
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:06 am  Reply with quote
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http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun

select

12 gauge
2 3/4" Winchester AA Bismuth Hull
etc, etc

Mike


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Carlos
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:32 am  Reply with quote



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skeettx wrote:
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun
select
12 gauge
2 3/4" Winchester AA Bismuth Hull
etc, etc
Mike


So, Longshot it is for both gauges. I have a stock of WAA12Red wads, so I'm GTG there. Also SP16 wads for the sixteen.

I'm still open for suggestions on my other questions. Thanks for the help guys.
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TripleH
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:06 pm  Reply with quote



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I imagine this may be a stupid question, or has already been asked and answered, but is it generally safe to assume that fps/velocity moves in a static fashion as additional grains of powder are added to a recipe?

For instance, the Federal Bismuth loads on that Hodgdon link were actually two that I had been looking at from the spreadsheet, as I had materials on hand already.

Fed 16 Plastic 1 oz. Bismuth Universal 19.5 Fed 209A SP-16 1200 8,800
Fed 16 Plastic 1 oz. Bismuth Universal 20.5 Fed 209A SP-16 1250 9,500


Would if be safe to assume in this instance that a 1 grain increase to 21.5 would produce velocity and pressure of 1,300 and 10,200?

On a related note, does anyone have experience with this recipe in real world application? I recall reading that some have had experience with the Rem wads not working great in Ched/Fed hulls due to powder migrating.
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No, not so, think parabola Sad

Mike


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TripleH
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Well there goes my 30+ years of steadfastly maintaining I'd never use quadratic functions in real life.....
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Carlos
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:51 pm  Reply with quote



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I second TripleH's questions. I am looking at the same loads as I located a part bottle of Universal in my pile of stuff. I can't find LONGSHOT for sale here in the Victoria bc area. I am out of luck for 12 gauge loads until I locate some.
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zoli 16ga.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:04 pm  Reply with quote



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There is a 16ga. Bismuth load using cheddite hulls and IMR 7625. It's a dicontinued powder, but the load works well for me.

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Carlos
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:14 pm  Reply with quote



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zoli 16ga. wrote:
There is a 16ga. Bismuth load using cheddite hulls and IMR 7625. It's a dicontinued powder, but the load works well for me.


I have an unopened can of 7625. The Universal is open, so I'll use that first.

Thanks for the hint, but I am still looking for some Longshot, or an alternative for 12 gauge Bismuth loads.
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Carlos
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:42 pm  Reply with quote



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I tried several online merchants in Canada that could send me some Longshot, but the HAZMAT + shipping was a killer. I finally found The Bullet Barn, just North of Vancouver. They had lots of powder, including LONGSHOT. I have to pay CAD17 for shipping, but as no one else had the powder locally, I figured it was reasonable. BTW; the owners of The Bullet Barn are longtime Cowboy Action shooters.

My Bismuth is waiting at the mailbox just South of the Medicine Line. I didn't try any US sourses for powder as I didn't want to upset Mr. Trumps Bundesgrenzpolizei!
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Carlos
PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:12 pm  Reply with quote



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The LONGSHOT powder arrived 48 hrs after ordering. I am still on Grandparent duty and will have to wait 2 - 3 weeks to get home to my reloading stuff. The wait has its benefits, of being with my grandgirls every day. No migratory game season for about 3 months anyway.
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Carlos
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:49 pm  Reply with quote



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I am ready to load some 16 gauge loads, I have Universal powder and Long Shot. I have SP16 wads and lots of #5 Bismuth shot. The gun I would be using is the M 8 Merkell S x S, 70mm chambers, mod/full, in good shape made in 1974.

I have Federal hulls and some Remington RGLs. I have my eye on the 1 1/8 oz loads from the Reloading 16 gauge No2 forum with Long Shot. Am I on the right track? Which hulls?

I also have some factory Hevi-Shot ammo. Would it be OK, or should I find something else to shoot it in? I also have some NICE shot handloads made up but have not shot them yet.
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