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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:57 pm  Reply with quote



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If it worked with sp wads it will work with claybusters.
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How did you determine that it didn't increase pressure?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:16 pm  Reply with quote



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If I understand this correctly, the piece of Tyvek would conform to the underside of the wad with a little bit extra around the edge, which would fill in the gap between the "too narrow for the hull" wad and the hull?
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why doesnt it just shrivel up from the heat exposure? tyvek is made of plastic. It distorts at 140 f. but maybe thats a good thinga it is only needed before firing.

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Hey DC37 -- As I'm sure you know, Precision Reloading (PR) sells Tyvek "Tight Seal" for use over the shot to help retain buffer, should the re-loader be using that. The usage you suggest is interesting. Long ago, BPI sold Tyvek pieces for over-shot buffer retention purpose -- square pieces. Looks like now they sell the exact same circular shaped pieces as PR, but they recommend it for use under the shot to keep the shot from penetrating into the wad!! Rolling Eyes Laughing Lord knows what a huge problem that is! Since these companies recommend their products for any use they can conceive, I suppose we will now see Tyvek touted for use under the wad, under the shot, over the shot, in between layers of shot for a spreader effect, and maybe a perforated one for over the primer to keep the inner basewads of the hulls cleaner (woo hoo!), etc -- who knows what's next for Tyvek. Laughing Let's see here Idea . . . . at only 2 cents each, if we can get folks to put 3 or 4 into every shell, that's another buck and a half or two for every box. Can you see the wheels of their minds turning? So don't help them out, Mark. Wink

Any wonder we don't see any of this junk in factory loads? Oh yeah, my re-loads are "better"! The forests and prairies will be snow white with Tyvek. It'll be a sign of progress and advanced knowledge, for sure. Hey, I missed a skeet target the other day -- had a slab of Tyvek on my shooting glasses. Did you know they can wrap your house with that stuff and keep out the wind and the rain but let the air through . . . . Think about that! I think I even have a Tyvek jacket somewhere. Tyvek is the answer -- just name the question.

Have a good day Mark!

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I see the starting of an unpleasantness. And 16GaugeGuy isn't even involved. Sad
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If the world was perfect then work-arounds would not be needed.
But Tyvex, cheerios, grex, under and over shot wad, and a host
of other things would not come into play.

BUT if one has a large quantity of large internal diameter hulls and a
large quantity of small diameter wads, what is a fella to do Shocked

As I get older and hunt some less and shoot clays more, I find the lighter loads
are much more kind to my aging body. So here comes the adventure.

As for melting plastic, any plastic wad in front of Black Powder will do the same thing. My favorite 10 gauge black powder duck hunting load involves an ALCAN all brass hull, the Alcan *57 primer, the old MEC 10 gauge steel shot wad, #3 steel shot, and an over shot wad secured with Elmer's School Glue, and it surely does melt Embarassed BUT ducks still drop at the BOOM.

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Dogchaser, you state: "Tight Seal is a product made by Precision Reloading. It is a 12 ga. diameter piece of tyvek. As far as I have experimented with it (3 loads), it has not increased pressures any significant amount when placed between the powder and the obturating cup using SP16 wads in Federal or Cheddite hulls. 2 loads using Longshot, 1 using 800-X. "

How did you determine the pressure difference?

How do you define significant?

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While your course of action may be applicable to modern guns capable of enduring Max SAAMI pressures, it does not seem to me to be a good course of action for low pressure loads.

Further while the three loads tested fell under max pressure, not comparing them head to head leaves you guessing using the difference from load data.

I think my challenge is using your recommendations sometimes lay with the fact I use old guns and baby them low pressure (under 8000 PSI) and you use more modern guns capable of higher pressure, and with those higher pressures focus on more efficient cleaner burning loads.

We simply have a different reloading focus

PS. I do appreciate your loading insights and the energy you have put into the subject

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