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stevesavage
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:15 am  Reply with quote



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Anyone have some some good fiber wad loads for the 16 gauge in 2&3/4 and 2&9/16 lengths? Currently available powders please.
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skeettx
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:34 am  Reply with quote
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Hello stevesavage
Welcome to the site on your first posting Smile
The Lyman #1 shotshell book has loads using PB, and 4756

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load14_06_27.htm

https://www.shootersforum.com/shotguns-shotgunning-shotshell-reloading/53750-felt-wad-load-data-tips.html

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jschultz
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:47 am  Reply with quote



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The following recipes are for 16 GA straight walled hulls or RMC brass hulls.

7/8oz shot, 16.6 grains Green dot, Win primer, Card wad with fiber filler.
7/8oz shot, 16.5 grains Unique, Win primer, Card wad with Fiber filler.
Both loads are rated at 1190fps, 2 1/2drams. Equiv.

I have not shot or patterned the 7/8 0z. green Dot load.

*3/4 or 7/8 oz shot, 18.3 grains Unique, Win primer, card wad, fiber filler.
1230fps, rated at 2 3/4 Dram. Equiv.
Load them all at about 40 lbs. pressure on the wads.

*This load patterned outstanding in my AyA and my friends Parker and is perfect for Blue and Ruff grouse. I also use the load for dove, Huns and Quail

I have shot, patterned and chronographed the loads listed below.

Shot wt. Vel. Powder Gr. Wads PSI
1oz. 1178 SR4756 28 card & fiber 5780
1oz. 1238 SR4756 30 “ 6440
1oz. 1328 SR4756 * 32 “ 7440
1 1/8oz. 1325 SR4756 ** 32 “ 9620
1oz. 2 ¾ dr Trail Boss *** 23 card and fiber
1 1/8oz. 3 dr Trail Boss **** 25 card and fiber

I know that you asked for loads using currently available powder, but that rascal skeettx referenced 4756, so I added 4 of my all time favorite loads. If you can locate a jug of SR4756, I wouldn't hesitate load up the above 1 and 1 1/8 oz, recipes.
The Trail Boss loads came from Tom Armbrust and when I run out of 4756 I'll use TB.
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jschultz
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Sorry, double post.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:40 am  Reply with quote
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jschultz wrote:


*3/4 or 7/8 oz shot, 18.3 grains Unique, Win primer, card wad, fiber filler.
1230fps, rated at 2 3/4 Dram. Equiv.
Load them all at about 40 lbs. pressure on the wads.


This is my standard load for pen raised quail. I've been using it for two seasons now.
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stevesavage
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Loads work well but unique sometimes is not clean burning.
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stevesavage
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Loads work well but unique sometimes is not clean burning.
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16'er
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:24 am  Reply with quote
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You can try using 17gr Green Dot instead and see if that burns cleaner.
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4setters
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Back in the wonderful days of the Yahoo 16 gauge site, I took a recipe from the Generic Load section for the following:

17.0 grains of Red Dot, 1 oz shot, 109 CCI primer and fiber wads. I don't have access to the specifics anymore (since the site is no longer available, and I didn't save the files), but this was a relatively low pressure load for any hull as I recall. I have loaded it the past 3 years or so to shoot in my NID, both in old 2 and 3/4 inch and 2 and 5/8 paper hulls, J.C.Higgins (Federals) and several types of Winchesters.

There aren't a lot of 16 gauge recipes for Red Dot, but this is one.

All I can say is it does a good job on wild bobwhite quail out of my M/F NID. Note that CCI 109 and CCI 209 primers are interchangeable, I simply have quite a few of the older 109s still around. With regard to 2 and 5/8 inch hulls, I put a nickel in the last station slot of my 600 jr. to bring the hull up to proper height to crimp right, rather than readjust the final station for a couple of boxes of shells (the J.C.H.s in the pic were 2 and 3/4 but some of my Win's were 2 and 5/8.}

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2biXamy] [/url]jchiggins1 by Michael Widner, on Flickr

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For those of you that use the card and fibre loads, do you find they pattern more open than a similar load with a plastic wad? Seeing 4setters say he uses them in his NID made me remember I have some old paper shells I could use in the NID I recently got from another member that's choked pretty full,especially in the left barrel.

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Ohio Wirehair
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That Green Dot load with Bismuth would be a interesting load for over decoys. I would love not putting plastic in the water. For those more knowledgeable then I, more or less pressure then with plastic wads?
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MSM2019
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Always less, given the same primer, same powder, same powder charge, same shot type and payload weight.

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16gaDavis
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when I decided I needed to create the super mag at the goading of Mark and Mike Campbell , i really thought i had to really go chicken sh++ ! I took the mag load for 11/4 out of my Lyman 2 , and the 1st load was with card and fiber - @ 1050 fps and @7800psi ! .... the home run load was exactly the same with a DR OP and fiber filler - 1230fps and 9800 psi - homer on that one - the only diff in the 2 loads was that plastic gas seal !(25gr Blue Dot , chedd primer and 600 grns shot )

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:17 pm  Reply with quote
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Savage16 wrote:
For those of you that use the card and fibre loads, do you find they pattern more open than a similar load with a plastic wad? Seeing 4setters say he uses them in his NID made me remember I have some old paper shells I could use in the NID I recently got from another member that's choked pretty full,especially in the left barrel.


My bore gauge today revealed just how full that left barrel is on your NID, like 32 points Full. That sure is a nice gun though. Nicest NID 16 I've ever seen.
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MSM2019 wrote:
Always less, given the same primer, same powder, same powder charge, same shot type and payload weight.

Thanks Mark,that's what I kinda thought.
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