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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ DR16 Petals Not Separating |
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Wed May 30, 2018 8:33 pm
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Okay. Inside would probably be less effective and certainly harder to apply but on the outside we're dragging tape along the bore under pressure. I'd probably be over-worrying about that. |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Thu May 31, 2018 3:36 am
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Yes |
Last edited by skeettx on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Thu May 31, 2018 1:12 pm
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Confirmed. |
_________________ Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern |
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:21 pm
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Location: West Texas
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If you are concerned, you can, as I did, cut the petals loose before inserting them in the hull. After about 100 rounds I quit doing it because there was no discernible difference in performance. Not that I did comparative patterning or anything, I just couldn't see any improvement in scores or breaks.
Giving it some thought I realized that the wad separates from the shot somewhere between the choke and the first few inches from the muzzle so there shouldn't be any difference and I detected none. The fact that the wads flew quite far down range is what took me down that rabbit hole in the first place. |
_________________ 16 - The only "True" gauge
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:30 pm
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Joined: 12 Feb 2018
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Location: Rhode Island
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I informed the distributor (Precision) of the problem with the stitching not breaking. They were unaware but immediately went to verify. I wrote the manufacturer but have not had a reply.
As has been said, the purpose of the pedals is to deploy upon leaving the muzzle of the gun to allow the shot to be free of the wad. The DR16 has thick walled pedals to take up volume in the shot cavity. Claybusters, in their ¾ ounce wads for 12 and 20, have thin walls because they have a protrusion into the bottom of the shot cavity to take up volume. I believe that the thick walls of DR16 make them stiff so they resist the forces to deploy and therefore do not have the strength to break the stitching.
So, running the risk of being labelled OCD, I have decided to slit the stitching in the DR16 with a utility knife so the wad can function as designed and the pedals will deploy without the restraint of the stitching. I find it quick and easy to do at the bench with a sharp utility knife. When I have used up my supply of DR16s, I’ll check to see if Downrange has fixed the problem and, if not, I will look for a replacement.
Loading a 2 ½ in Cheddite skived hull, DR16 wad, ¾ oz. #9 shot, 16.6 grains of International and using a 6 point crimp in a MEC Sizemaster. Works beautifully.
Some have strongly suggested that it make no difference in the pattern if all the petals don’t separate. Be that as it may, as an engineer-gone-bad, I like things to work as designed. |
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:04 pm
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Don,
Great
Good on Ya!!
As you are now labeled an Engineer-gone-bad I am looking forward to your experimentation data where the petals opening up made a difference.
Thank you
Mike |
Last edited by skeettx on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:50 pm
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Joined: 12 Feb 2018
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Location: Rhode Island
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Mike
I fired five shells from each barrel to check my aiming point. The aim point and pattern were satisfactory. At this point, I am going to go silent. This discussion has all of the earmarks of the discussion among pilots as to the best way to land a tail dragger in a crosswind. One side is never able to convince the other of the wisdom of their way of doing it. The real answer is whatever makes you comfortable.
So it is with DR16 stitching.
Peace
Don |
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:57 pm
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Don
You are a wise man !!
Dad always said " Do not play with the pigs in the mud, you get dirty and the pigs like it!"
Enjoy the reloading and shooting
Mike |
Last edited by skeettx on Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:42 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:48 pm
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Last edited by mike campbell on Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:26 am
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In this case, I believe it goes something like..........an ugly theory has been ruined by beautiful facts.
Can you imagine how many bad loads there would be if wad stitching was actually a factor? |
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:22 pm
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Hello Don:
I would be happy to visit with you on the subject .
Regards , Nick. |
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:39 pm
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Don
You being newish here ...
Nick is a GOOD GUY
who spent his own money to develop and produce the
DR-16 wad.
He is gentle and knows what he is talking about
Send him a PM and y'all visit, you will enjoy the dialog BOTH WAYS
Mike |
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:22 am
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After a long, pleasant talk with NIck, he convinced me that it does not matter that the stitches on the DR16 don't break. It does not effect the pattern.
Oh dear, what is an OCD engineer-gone-bad to do?
Peace
Don |
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:42 am
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Last edited by mike campbell on Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:47 am
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Mike
You're probably right, but - if the targets continue to break - that's good enough. Life is short.
Peace
Don |
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