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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Sterlingworth 3" DAH |
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Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:56 pm
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Joined: 14 Jun 2018
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Location: SC
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Question for those shooting classic sxs with stock dimensions of 2 7/8 or 3". Is it as big of a deal as I see some people make of it? Purchased one and it's in route. I feel like anything is doable with practice but thats easy to say. |
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Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:42 pm
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Joined: 16 Jul 2015
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Location: Hudson,Wy
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My Fox has 2 5/8" DAH and I love it. For me, it points just a tad high, a few degrees at most. It is one of only two guns I have owned that did not need to be cut down and in to make it fit. I often wonder how many shooters learn on guns that require them to mash down their cheek a little and it becomes habit for life, thus the tendency toward "modern" stock profiles. I am fairly average in build and the modern high comb drives me nuts. |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:43 am
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Location: Kansas High Plains
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I like about 2-5/8 or 2-3/4. I have a Fox A grade 20 and an A grade 12 that both measure 3-1/8" and I find I need to use a comb riser on those. |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:29 am
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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WVbirdman,
Each old classic American double gun fits slightly different. A good gunner usually adapts to the drop and cast pretty quickly.
Have fun!
Pine Creek/Dave
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:45 am
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Joined: 12 Mar 2012
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Location: Ontario
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A friend shoots best with around 3" of drop. I tend to agree with PCD on this.
That's assuming you aren't trying to shoot competitive trap with it. |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:05 am
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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the Davis was like that , tough to get a look down the barrels . However , with a 1/4'' soft pad , the gun goes into my shoulder and keeps my head up while looking down the barrels without much effort . |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:51 am
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Joined: 14 Jun 2018
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Location: SC
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Pine Creek/Dave wrote: |
WVbirdman,
Each old classic American double gun fits slightly different. A good gunner usually adapts to the drop and cast pretty quickly.
Have fun!
Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man
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This is pretty much how I see it as well, but all of my shotguns are "modern" (60's or later), so thought I'd ask those who know what they're talking about. |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:46 pm
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Joined: 25 Feb 2010
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I've found that I can shoot a 2 3/4" drop ok. Anything more then that and its not working for me. Some guns can be bent a bit, and some can't. I wouldn't buy a gun with over 3" DAH unless I bought it really at a good price with the idea of restocking it to fit me. |
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Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:10 pm
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Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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WyoChukar wrote: |
I often wonder how many shooters learn on guns that require them to mash down their cheek a little and it becomes habit for life, thus the tendency toward "modern" stock profiles. I am fairly average in build and the modern high comb drives me nuts.
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:39 pm
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Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Location: MN
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Just my impression but some of the early American classics mimicked the continental guns by having more DAH. For those that like to see a lot of ramp with the bird well above the bead, this can be disconcerting. For taller shooters, I think more DAH is more practical. I have always liked the (often standard) Euro configuration of DAC 1 1/2 and DAH 2 1/2....works for me. The English school seems to prefer a much "shallower" configuration. |
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:14 am
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I went through a Todd Bender skeet clinic a few years ago and the first thing he did was check gun fit. I had my Citori adjusted pretty well, I thought, but he had me raise the cheekpiece about 1/8" to get a stronger cheek weld on the stock His explanation was that a strong cheek weld results in a more consistent gun mount and better scores. There is no doubt many people can shoot a gun fairly well without having their cheek touching the stock. I shoot with a guy in Miami, OK who will often shoot a round of skeet from the hip and score in the 20's. That said, if I had a classic Sterlingworth with 3" of drop, I would be driving up to Wenig's for a new fitted stock I could shoot with a good cheek weld. I own and shoot too many SXS's to attempt to fit myself to each gun rather than fitting the guns to me. |
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:17 am
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I went through a Todd Bender skeet clinic a few years ago and the first thing he did was check gun fit. I had my Citori adjusted pretty well, I thought, but he had me raise the cheekpiece about 1/8" to get a stronger cheek weld on the stock His explanation was that a strong cheek weld results in a more consistent gun mount and better scores. There is no doubt many people can shoot a gun fairly well without having their cheek touching the stock. I shoot with a guy in Miami, OK who will often shoot a round of skeet from the hip and score in the 20's. That said, if I had a classic Sterlingworth with 3" of drop, I would be driving up to Wenig's for a new fitted stock I could shoot with a good cheek weld. I own and shoot too many SXS's to attempt to fit myself to each gun rather than fitting the guns to me. |
_________________ An elderly gentleman, his faithful dogs, and a 16 ga SXS. All is right with the world. |
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:30 am
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Joined: 13 Jun 2009
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Location: WA/AK
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Don't ruin yourself by constantly shooting NSSA style mounted gun skeet. Go back to shooting low gun the way William H. Foster intended. The Sterlingworth wasn't made for todays NSSA Skeet.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:56 am
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Joined: 16 Jul 2015
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Location: Hudson,Wy
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Good point. One must ask what the gun will be used for. I personally find that target guns are great on the range but awkward in the field. One thing is for sure, low mount is the rule of thumb in the field. |
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:03 pm
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I also went through the Orvis Wingshooting school where they instruct basically the Churchill instinctive method of wingshooting. The low gun position they teach is not the "butt below the belt" method formerly required for skeet and pictured above, but a position where the heel is basically even with the armpit and the gun is brought up to the cheek as the gun is moved to the target. That position minimizes the seesaw gun mount usually brought about by the trigger hand having to move the gun a lot more than the forend hand. A much better gun mount in my estimation than what is pictured above. I don't think a premounted gun for bird shootin like in skeet or trap shooting is even worth discussing anywhere. However, proper gun fit is proper gun fit no matter how you shoot. |
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