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Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 152 Location: San Diego

okay, I cut some apart. Rem SP16 in Cheddite 2 1/2', 18gr Green Dot. I'm trying to figure out how to use those wads in Cheddites w/10z loads. The fit is loose enought that they rattle, like keep a baby entertained. 50% bloopers.

First three had a countable number of flakes- like 6 or 14, in the wad's crumple zone. Next one, a whole 10 grains of powder forward of the cup. #5, back to countable.

So I did some thinking about what you said, carrying them around makes it worse. So I grabbed a couple, and shook them for a few minutes. Keep in mind they already had been to the range and back in the truck, and in the bags for a round of 25 clays. One was countable flakes, one was several grains, like 6-8.

I suspect that the less-than-capacity load allows the wad to get pushed back and forth by the shot, acting to pump the air around, blowing powder into the dead space. Light loads for the wad/hull combo would be worse.

I'll still try the 20gr 1 oz load tomorrow. They barely rattle. (I'll bring my wad knocker too) If it still makes bloopers, I'll try the max powder load (19?) behind 1 1/8 oz.

*Last edited by skeettx on Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:57 pm; edited 1 time in total*

OR put one or two Cheerios in the wad before you put in the shot

Smile

Mike

Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 152 Location: San Diego

Then you will have to get the correct wad for what you want to do.
Good luck
Mike

Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 152 Location: San Diego

Joined: 18 Jun 2018 Posts: 12

I use clays for 12 ga, both 1oz and 1 1/8. I use 20/28 for my 28 ga reloads. I purchased the universal after seeing the published loads from Hodgens web site.

I’ve been saving the herters hulls and have several hundred of them. They are the only hulls I have.

It’s not really a big deal as I only purchased 500 of the claybuster wads to try out. If they are a problem I can always save them for another Hull. I’m only out about $20.

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2168 Location: Florida

casebro , I guess 6-10 grains of powder past the op cup , laying in the crush section might cause bloopers . Rolling Eyes

Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 152 Location: San Diego

I'm back from the trap range. 26 shots fired, same as the 'blooper' load except 2 more grains of powder. NO bloopers. Only 14 of 25, but the 16 ga model 12 is too light fro big guy like me, for trap. I use it as a Clays gun, a Heavy Duck in 12ga is my usual Trap gun.

So, my take-away form all this is that a full hull does not allow powder to get above the wad cup., no matter the wad/hull combination. A full hull is mandatory for a good crimp too.

But I've been having Cheddites stick in the chambers. Like Win Promos stick in new 870s. And by cutting a fired hull in half, I can see that it's NOT the steel base that sticks, sine the back half falls out. Looking closely at a hull, I see a black ring around the mouth, where the rim of the crimp was. I'm going to try a smaller diameter "crimp plunger". And maybe adjust the crimp taller, less folds inside pushing outwards to stretch the hull OD.

I'm loading on a Hornady 366 that I made dies and shell holder in 16 for. Perhaps I guessed wrong on the plunger diameter?

Another shooter today had extraction probs on the bottom barrel of his 12ga. Federal ammo, I could see that the outside ribs were gone from a ring around the front end of his hulls. Methinks cheap hulls are made from soft plastic. His gun ate a different brand a lot better. Too bad in 16 ga, Cheddites are the only game in town.

Joined: 19 Apr 2014 Posts: 429 Location: Maine

Think you hit the missing part of the equation. Most M12 guys at our club don't shoot ched. hulls because they stick . Base rims are smaller, extractors don't seem to like them. These guys are shooting Federals and RGLs. Don't think I'd spend a lot of money of ched components until I got some feedback from M12 owners.

Joined: 31 Jan 2013 Posts: 152 Location: San Diego

Joined: 19 Apr 2014 Posts: 429 Location: Maine

Don't really know you rambled on so long I lost interest. Short attention span I guess.

Joined: 18 Jun 2018 Posts: 12

My dies showed up from Ponsness Warren today. So of coarse I started trying to get everything set up.

I was planning on starting off with around 21-22 grains of universal, 1oz shot, and cheddite hulls. I tried waa16 and Sg16 wads.

I’m still fairly new to reloading so I sacrificed a few hulls trying to get the crimp somewhat decent.

The powder die was throwing around 21.5 grains so that was good enough, but my crimps looked like crap and were dished pretty bad. So I fiddled with the crimp more and finally just went with 1-1/16 oz of shot. These looked good with the sg16 wads, still looked like crap with the claybuster wads.

I didn’t make many, about 10. I’m shooting on Wednesday, thought I’d give them a try. Will the extra 1/16 oz cause terrible problems in my old model 12?

Should not
Please give us a report when shot
Thank
Mike

Joined: 18 Jun 2018 Posts: 12