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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway.

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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway.

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I have a couple of ejector doubles with fairly strong springs. Cheddites never pop out of either of them. I too believe it’s the plastic and not the base. Not much of an inconvenience since I don’t like ejectors anyway.

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Hammer bill
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Dogchaser37 wrote:
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.


I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".


I said a factory load right out of the box unfired. Measure right under the rim not somewhere on the brass .go .oo2 below that

U need the collet type resized. Not the ring type. The ring at times creates a small bulge from extrusion just under the rim. Not enough to see or feel. But .002 is way more than enough to make them stick. Especially just under the rim.
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Hammer bill
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Dogchaser37 wrote:
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.


I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".
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I posted a very long reply, but in retrospect, I have already offered my opinion. I'll stick by it.

You folks have a great day.

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casebro wrote:
update: A round of trap with my re-grooved Cheddites was better than not grooved- still, 7 FTE. Help. but no silver bullet.

Next outing, I loaded only high brass huks0 Feds and Fiocchii. Feds were nearly flawless, Fiochiis stuck every time.

I had noticed that the brass f Cheds and Fuiocchis had a mark at the chamber rig line. Doesn't mic, but it is there- on one side. Up shot, my chamber ring was turned 180 degrees. I didn't think it could be assembled that way. About .004" off, but Cheds only spring back about .002.

Next outing, bring a mixed batch of everything. Still waiting on my powdered Teflon from China.


Range trip: Same hulls, same load, with the chamber ring rotated to concentricity. Problem was worse. nearly all stuck. Most exracted on the second attempt. Hmm, so I tried waiting a couple breaths before pumping the slide. A few seconds to cool off really helped. Good enough for trap, not for clays. But one ched and one Fiocii really glued themselves in. I was afraid to break the tip of my knife, used the ram rod. There is a ram rod at every field. Because? Yup. I'm not the only one.

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casebro wrote:
update: A round of trap with my re-grooved Cheddites was better than not grooved- still, 7 FTE. Help. but no silver bullet.

Next outing, I loaded only high brass huks0 Feds and Fiocchii. Feds were nearly flawless, Fiochiis stuck every time.

I had noticed that the brass f Cheds and Fuiocchis had a mark at the chamber rig line. Doesn't mic, but it is there- on one side. Up shot, my chamber ring was turned 180 degrees. I didn't think it could be assembled that way. About .004" off, but Cheds only spring back about .002.

Next outing, bring a mixed batch of everything. Still waiting on my powdered Teflon from China.


Range trip: Same hulls, same load, with the chamber ring rotated to concentricity. Problem was worse. nearly all stuck. Most exracted on the second attempt. Hmm, so I tried waiting a couple breaths before pumping the slide. A few seconds to cool off really helped. Good enough for trap, not for clays. But one ched and one Fiocii really glued themselves in. I was afraid to break the tip of my knife, used the ram rod. There is a ram rod at every field. Because? Yup. I'm not the only one.

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casebro
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Hammer bill wrote:
Dogchaser37 wrote:
So.....I just went through my stash of 16 ga. once fired hulls. The rim diameter measured from .807" to .811". The hulls included Federal, Winchester, Remington, Herters and Cheddite.


I don't think that .004" is going to be the issue for poor ejecting.......oh BTW the Herters were the smallest at .807" the largest I had were the Federals at .811" the green Cheddite's measured .810".


I said a factory load right out of the box unfired. Measure right under the rim not somewhere on the brass .go .oo2 below that

U need the collet type resized. Not the ring type. The ring at times creates a small bulge from extrusion just under the rim. Not enough to see or feel. But .002 is way more than enough to make them stick. Especially just under the rim.


I'm already using a Supersizer. Squarshing them all the way down. No prob chambering.

Extracted hulls measure same as chamber, .748". The just won't spring back like all the steel I ever ran through a press break.

Next option: Different load, different powder.

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So the rest of the world is wrong and you are correct?

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Thanks Mike,

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I actually had this same problem with an almost-new 20ga 870. Very very frustrating, especially in the field, what a pain!

Turned out there was bit of rust colored glue-like gunk in the tiny spring well of the plunger under the ejector claw, maybe from the manufacturer. I cleaned it out with brake cleaner (which took some doing, it was stubborn stuff) and presto, problem solved.

It just might be that simple.

Good luck,

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casebro
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Dogchaser37 wrote:
So the rest of the world is wrong and you are correct?


In what way? Ive done every thing anybody else has recommended.

Dogchaser and I differ in our reasoning for the hull design. He thinks the ribs are there to help it feed, I think they are part of the cheapening process.

I'm trying to learn something here, and I'm sharing my knowledge as I gain it. If you can't handle that, ....

My next step will be some thing else thatnobody else has mentioned- Maybe Cheddites are worthwhile in lower velocity loads?

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