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Member Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 371 Location: mpls mn

i am happy to report sb2315 is dead by 4 votes

rob,

Glad to see the private property owners got what they wanted!

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

Member Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 371 Location: mpls mn

More like sportsman got what they wanted.

Joined: 31 Jan 2019 Posts: 5 Location: MN

Good. It seemed to be sliding in the wrong direction due to pressure.

Joined: 31 Jan 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Idaho

So if you can hunt private property without permission as long as it is not posted correctly, and all the sportsman’s groups are opposed to changing this, I have to ask, what benefit if any, does the landowner derive from this use of their property?

Somebody please let me know if I am misunderstanding the situation or if I am missing something in the equation.

This all seems to be inverted logic from where I am standing. Can’t help but wonder if I missed something here.

Chukar60,

It does seem that personal property rights were not up held. I thought this went the other way. Back to posting for the land owners.

Pine Creek/Dave
L.c. Smith Man

Joined: 16 Jul 2015 Posts: 2125 Location: Hudson,Wy

Private property rights? The majority of landowners were happy with things the way they were. It's regional culture. I know it's hard to understand in many parts of the country, but North Dakotans are very open, friendly folks and a lot of posting is temporary (till they fill their deer tag) and then it's back to letting the neighbors come and go as they please.

I will put it this way. I actually live in Wyoming. We were directly in the path of the big solar eclipse event in 2017. With several hundred thousand strangers expected to show up all at once, locals were advised to post their property (even though private land is always considered posted here) to fulfill legal obligations to notify the public, so that unwanted mass gatherings would not occur on private property. It is the only time I ever hung a "No Trespassing" sign on family property and I felt awful doing it. Next day, the signs came down.

Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 189 Location: Montana

Interesting and somewhat saddening perspectives by many (to this thread)
who have little understanding-but many opinions-about this North Dakota issue
which had/has serious implications for the American sportsman no matter where you live or how you fell about private property, access, sportsmens/landowner relations, etc, etc.
Everybody in ND won here - the asshole special interests behind this legislation lost ONE.
The attitudes I saw exhibited by many during this discussion illustrate why I have largely left hunting websites.
The American outdoorsman has become his own worst enemy.
Kudos to those who helped defeat this bill - keep up your vigilance and participation.......................

Gentlemen,

As I indicated when the thread 1s started ND people needed to resolve this situation and outsiders should have no say in it. ND people know how they want to life, it's their home state. Non-Resident should have no say.

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

tramroad28,

Be very careful about this so called speech that can eventually makes laws forcing people who own property to live in a manner that others deem socially acceptable. No matter whether under the guise of being a sportsman, conservationist or politician.

Importance has always been with the individual owning property here in the USA, until just recently. Socialism is an evil concept, importance to you as a member of a non resident group forcing it's opinion on how people must live and control their own property is a dangerous undertaking. It should be none of your business how their game laws are set up, unless you are another resident of that particular state and community. The statement importance, these days, is most often wider than any state's boundaries and beyond any person's own interest or gain, is pure socialism. Millions have perished because of it. No matter what guise is used, being a sportsman, outdoorsman, conservationist or politician this kind of thinking undermines America's most basic freedom that of personal property ownership.

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 189 Location: Montana

So much is lost on somebody geographically as well as informed wise (commenting on the world wide web) far removed from an issue.
Robustly illustrated here.
Make no mistake.
North Dakota is a land of mostly private property owned mostly by traditional
NON SOCIALIST regular good folks.
If that majority - who owns the ground and cherishes private property rights as deeply as any other red blooded American - wanted this legislation, it would have indeed passed.
Also, if the sportsmens (many of which DO own land in ND) of ND, who just so happened to be supported by sportsmen from neighboring states - as many of us Western outdoorsmen often do - weren't as passionate about their past time, this legislation would have passed.
It is deeply unfortunate that the politicians and their lackies have found their way into sportsmen's issues, and that they have so many willing sheep to help them attempt to dismantle our Outdoor Recreation Heritage and the North American Model of Wildlife Management - which gave us all a reason to have our LC Smiths and Browning Citoris......................

*Last edited by tramroad28 on Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:54 am; edited 1 time in total*

tramroad28,

Not looking behind any bush, just calling a spade a spade. ND people decided what would happen as it should be. I do not believe they fell for the outside influence of the special interest groups, and voted with their own reasoning.

I have a tendency to look at most things that are being voted on, with a reality political eye. Judge me any way you want.

Pine Creek/Dave
L.C. Smith Man

I don't see a problem here. If you are a private landowner and don't want anybody on your property you can post it and keep them off. If you don't mind that people hunt but want to know who is there you need to post. If you don't care who is using it leave the posters down. I guess posting a 20,000 acre ranch would be a big expense and tough to maintain. I guess it could just as easily go the other way. Everything off limits unless otherwise posted open but can see how people may not post it open due to the cost and labor. I think landowners that leave their property open to the public should probably receive a tax incentive. I personally post all my property because I only own it to hunt and receive no income off of it. The tax's are steep and the upkeep is very expensive so i choose to share it with my family and friends that help with habitat projects and upkeep.