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Pine Creek/Dave
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:42 am  Reply with quote



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Gentlemen,

A while back the SSM did a feature article on a J.P. Sauer 16 gauge Drilling. Got to admit I really liked that gun, and am looking to acquire one just like it. That particular J.P Sauer is a serious side lock Drilling and I just can not find one like it any place.

At around 6 Lbs this J.P. Sauer Drilling would be a great gun for our Potter County, Pa mountains, now that we have over lapping seasons for our Bear & Turkey, with our Grouse hunting season. Don't know if I want to shoot another Bear, but a nice Turkey with the Drilling sounds just great to me.

Does any body remember which SSM the 16 J.P. Sauer Drilling article was in, I seem to have misplaced mine.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:00 am  Reply with quote
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Six pounds would be exceptional in a drielling. Most are 7lbs, or more. Here’s one at six pounds eight ounces, though:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/812501077
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16er,

Thank you sir, very similar to the gun I am looking for, I saved this on my computer in case I can not find the other gun.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:23 am  Reply with quote
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Sidelock with clock hand indicators, early gun. (1890’s ?). Does not list weight or dimensions, so contact seller if interested:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/813068542
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:39 am  Reply with quote



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16er,

Now that is very similar to my J.P. Sauer Best 1880's Grouse Gun, and I would certainly like to own that 16 Drilling no doubt about it. I figure it will finally go for around $6,500 and after having to collect the MD tax the total cost will be around $7000.00 or more. - what a beautiful 16 J.P. Sauer Best Drilling.

Thanks for posting

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:00 am  Reply with quote
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I wouldn’t be surprised if that gun has already been relisted a few times. The 11.5x65r looks to a real challenge to reload...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:26 pm  Reply with quote



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16er,

Riger that!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:48 pm  Reply with quote
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https://www.buffaloarms.com/11x65r-collath-reloadable-obsolete-brass-cases-aka-11-15x65r-collath-1165r

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/8108847

http://www.cartridgecollector.net/1115-x-65r-stahl-express

Or course a chamber cast will be the first order of business

Mike


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:09 pm  Reply with quote



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Gentlemen,

Well for sure it's no off the self standard American rifle shell!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:37 pm  Reply with quote
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My Krieghoff drilling is 16 (65) x 16 (65) x 8x57JR

https://www.sellierbellot.us/products/rifle-ammunition/rifle-ammunition-sp/detail/128/


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:46 am  Reply with quote



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Skeettx,

Now that is a much better Drilling set up, you can order direct from S&R to keep your rifle bullets in stock. Looks like they are readily available all the time. Hope to find an 1880's Side Lock Drilling, similar made by J.P. Sauer.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:53 am  Reply with quote
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My problem with drillings is why mess up a perfectly good bird hunt
by shooting a deer Smile

If I want a deer, I will just go out to the river breaks and shoot one.

Bag limits are established by county. No person may exceed the annual bag limit of five white-tailed deer, no more than three of which may be bucks.


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Dave in Maine
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:46 pm  Reply with quote



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16'er wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if that gun has already been relisted a few times. The 11.5x65r looks to a real challenge to reload...


Could be worse - at least you can get cases.

I accompanied a friend on his moose hunt a couple years ago. He took his moose with a circa-1880 hammer cape gun, rifle barrel was chambered in 11.5X50R. Shotgun, 16 ga.

For the rifle, he first took a chamber cast, then determined an appropriate parent case, turned the rims a little on his lathe, fire-formed them to the chamber and spent the summer working up an accurate load. And cast his own bullets. He wound up with 50-something grains of FFg over 6 grains of Green Dot - the old "duplex load", long since written out of the reloading manuals - pushing a 365 grain round nose at about 1500 fps.

Broke the moose's spine with one offhand shot at about 90 yards.

Finisher was a home-cast 16 ga round ball in the lungs.

Oh, yeah. He'd picked the gun up for a song some years back because it was broken. It needed a replacement hammer on the rifle barrel. So he got a blank and spent some time with a file getting it right. First.

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DaveinMaine,

Way cool story of a nice hunt with home made ammo and hammer repair. The guy had his act together big time.

I am not into making my own rifle ammo, would prefer to just purchase the correct ammo from S&R if possible. I want to keep looking and end up with something like skeettx shoots, although I want a real nice Side Lock J.P. Sauer 16 gauge Drilling, not a Merkel Box Lock, even thou they are very nice also. Just my preference when it comes to Best Shotguns, no matter what country they are made in.

skeettx,

Mike doubt I will take many deer with the Drilling, I could shoot a nice Buck or prime eating Doe from my front porch at the log cabin in Potter/Tioga, Pa, with my long Barrel Contender Pistol, any evening I want too. The Drilling would be for Turkey, Bear and Coyote along with other varmints. Love to find a .257 Roberts Drilling, although J.P. Sauer probably never made one.

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We have a Bear Crossing sign on our property and it's no joke. I like Black Bear and doubt I will ever shoot another one, unless one becomes a cabin raider like the 1st one the PGC had me eliminate.

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DaveinMaine,

Thanks for the advise on the 1880's J.P. Sauer Best side lock Drilling model 26 with the 16X6.5 x 5x57R set up that you forwarded to me via PM, I really appreciate it, and will definitely take a close look at that particular gun. Great find.

These are the things that make the 16 forum so great.

Thanks again

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