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mcrewz
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:07 am  Reply with quote



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Has anyone seen, used, or heard of someone using this? It is a radar device that tracks the clay pigeon and your shot swarm tells where you missed or how good of a hit you had. It seems like a really awesome concept taking the guess work out of where I am missing. Pricey for personal use but maybe practical for a club or a shooting coach.

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/612942?fbclid=IwAR3M8Ei65iy0kOO6O94LeI0yedHn1KdfAd-YLeIleqyNQSLrhPAZx9IwsOY

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tramroad28
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:42 pm  Reply with quote



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Location: Ohio..where ruffed grouse were

Oh, my sweet goodness.
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WyoChukar
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:46 am  Reply with quote



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I think Winchester is still selling nonincendiary tracer ammo for the same purpose.

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bobski
PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:37 pm  Reply with quote



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a lot cheaper to have a buddy stand behind you and tell ya youre high, low, in front or behind.
99% itll be behind. lol.

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last dollar
PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:59 pm  Reply with quote



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Location: Great State of Kansas

GOOD LORD..Why don't you just pay someone to shoot for you? And stay home..
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fn16ga
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:04 am  Reply with quote
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last dollar wrote:
GOOD LORD..Why don't you just pay someone to shoot for you? And stay home..
Shocked Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Now that's funny !
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:22 am  Reply with quote



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How about this ShotKam? Just remember about all these shooting aids.....they might show you where you are missing but they don't tell you why you are missing there. Ahead, in back, over or under misses are usually caused by a mistake with your methods......the only time they really help is when you are just misreading the target.

https://shotkam.com/


If you are really serious about shooting, take some lessons with one of the top shelf instructors out there. The NSCA has a list of instructors in your area. You have Northbrook Sport Club in your state, they just held the World English and are well known for FITASC and Sporting Clays, someone there can lead you in the right direction.

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MaximumSmoke
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:32 am  Reply with quote
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High-Low-Ahead-Behind advice is definitely interesting, but usually pretty useless unless a few fundamentals of wingshooting already exist. First, is gun mount. Is it stable, repeatable and does it allow good movement (pivoting, not leaning)? Next is the assurance that the eye that focuses on the target is on the same side as the gun. After that, it's break point -- where does the shooter intend to break the target, or better yet, for the circumstances, where should he break the target. Then there is stance -- will the stance allow the shooter to swing in a tolerable range for the area in which he has chosen to break the target. "Look point" is next -- where should the shooter look to pick up and visually "latch on" to the target.

Next is the technique for establishing lead or "forward allowance", in the parlance of our times. It may astound some, but the technique of establishing lead is more important than the quantification of the lead. Personally, I recommend sustained lead as a starting point, and possibly as a finishing point, too. Though some circumstances requiring unusual quickness and quick transitions to different directions or lines, such as with true pairs, etc. might dictate swing through, pull ahead or maybe others, sustained lead is very basic, easy to understand and useful for the vast majority of shots. Sustained lead requires the shooter to synchronize his swing -- speed and line -- with the target flight. Half the of the victory in the battle of hitting the bird is accomplished by this synchronization. Actual lead is the other half, but that half has a fairly great tolerance, as the pattern is often relatively large at the target.

Before giving a lot of advice on where the shot is going, it is best that the instructor/observer watch the student/shooter at first to insure errors in technique and approach and erroneous ideas about wingshooting are not present. It does the shooter no good to tell him or her to shoot higher, lower, or further or less ahead if the shooter is jumping and jerking around or squinting down the barrel at the "sights", waiting for a target to come into view. The most common problems I see are stopped swings and inconsistent stance and mount issues -- lifting the head while leaving the gun behind, leaning, etc. These things are easy to see. The fix is not to tell the shooter about his or her lead, but to correct the misconceptions and techniques that stand in the way of using natural eye-hand co-ordination to accomplish the task.

One thing I always mention to new shooters is the idea of developing and trusting eye-hand co-ordination -- that in driving a nail, one looks at the nail, not at the hammer -- that you can't hit a ball while looking at the bat or the racquet or the hockey stick. You don't kick the ball looking at your foot. Certainly the tool comes into the "picture" at contact, and the upshot of that is that the athlete must recognize or develop and attain, during the event, a "picture" that "works", but the focus must be on the target, never on the tool.

By the way, if the lighting is right, a capable instructor can often see the shot cloud. ShotKam, etc are interesting novelties, but a waste of time with the new shooter -- a distraction that solves no problems, and gives the instructor and shooter no insights that cannot be acheived in better, more fundamental ways. An instructor so equipped may wow his student, but if the instructor is competent, he or she will not need the data produced by such a device to get the student to hit the target unless the student is quite advanced and has good technique, and the range of the target is such that it is difficult for the instructor to observe the lead error. I could see such devices being useful for some longer and trickier sporting clays shots.
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16'er
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:18 am  Reply with quote
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^nice post!
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:35 am  Reply with quote



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I'm with Maximum Smoke, all these "novelties" are relatively useless.

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