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GrizzlyAdams
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:40 pm  Reply with quote



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cowdoc87 wrote:
Straight grip Winchester model 21’s in 16 ga not much off 5k these days and mostly single trigger guns.


Yeah, everything I'm seeing is $5k plus for sure.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:29 pm  Reply with quote
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Single trigger a deal breaker?

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-german-austrian-double/merkel-model-1620e-16ga-serial-386105-as-new-with-5-000-wenig-left-hand-wood.cfm?gun_id=101164018

Also a AYA ST listed under left hand guns on GI.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/aya-aguirre-y-aranzabal-shotguns/aya-orvis-custom-16g-26-quot-left-hand.cfm?gun_id=101241932
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:59 pm  Reply with quote
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Low count on the sellers history...

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/828979250

Pistol grip, but no cheek piece, does not mention cast...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:28 pm  Reply with quote
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Just because Model 21 was mentioned earlier in this thread....

https://simpsonltd.com/winchester-21-skeet/
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:27 pm  Reply with quote
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Closer to eight pounds than seven, but would be one heck of 16ga clays gun I’d bet...

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-16-gauge/perazzi-model-mx16-over-under-16-gauge.cfm?gun_id=101289065
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:16 am  Reply with quote
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If you are looking for an American classic then this gun will not work for you. If you are looking for a fine example of British gunmaking this is a good value. The gun has been recently restored by Toby Barclay, one of Englands best for restoring old guns. It has been invisibly sleeved and started life as a 12 and converted to a 16. That will bring the weight up from the typical 6 lbs to probably 6 lbs 6 oz, but it is a beautiful gun that is essentially now new.

You would need to have the triggers switched over to a leftie and the stock bent a bit for your cast, but that should still keep the gun in your price range.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-english-double/william-cashmore-16-bore-boxlock-ejector-with-30-nitro-steel-barrels.cfm?gun_id=101179852

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The OP didn’t say how much shooting he was going to do. I used to be a fan of old guns, not so much anymore-once bitten, twice shy. The screws in the top of the receiver, for the intercepting sears, and the fact the gun is sleeved Damascus to steel tell us that is a very old gun. Likely pre 1900. Good boxlocks from that era were often fitted for intercepting lock work, but, the sear angle in a boxlock makes the gun far less likely to jar off than a sidelock, and builders eventually quit using them in boxlocks. I’d bet money that Toby removed those sears, if they were still there.
I wouldn’t be in a hurry to bend a piece of wood that old, either. Been there, wrecked that. Light loads would be an asset to keeping it healthy, but, might not be what you need to use or can get, easily.
For occasional, light use, that is a fine gun. As your main bang stick for everything, maybe not. You will have to evaluate what you are looking to do with the gun.
Good luck in your quest. I’m left handed also, I have one double that was stocked left, and otherwise muddle through with guns that are straight (no cast) or lightly cast right. My 16 double is a Nitro Special. Just a solid shooter that is reliable.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:31 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks Chicago. I may look for a new 16ga vs. an older model. I do find the Italian single trigger guns to be more of what I'm looking for. With that said, I haven't shouldered an AYA but would like to.

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If you are looking for an American classic then this gun will not work for you. If you are looking for a fine example of British gunmaking this is a good value. The gun has been recently restored by Toby Barclay, one of Englands best for restoring old guns. It has been invisibly sleeved and started life as a 12 and converted to a 16. That will bring the weight up from the typical 6 lbs to probably 6 lbs 6 oz, but it is a beautiful gun that is essentially now new.

You would need to have the triggers switched over to a leftie and the stock bent a bit for your cast, but that should still keep the gun in your price range.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-english-double/william-cashmore-16-bore-boxlock-ejector-with-30-nitro-steel-barrels.cfm?gun_id=101179852

Good Hunting,
Mike

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:34 am  Reply with quote



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Hi Ted,

Thanks for the feedback. I may go the "new" route in a side-by-side. I have a Fausti DEA SLX in 20 currently and she's a shooter for sure. I may also look at the Perazzi guns as well as the AYAs too.

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The OP didn’t say how much shooting he was going to do. I used to be a fan of old guns, not so much anymore-once bitten, twice shy. The screws in the top of the receiver, for the intercepting sears, and the fact the gun is sleeved Damascus to steel tell us that is a very old gun. Likely pre 1900. Good boxlocks from that era were often fitted for intercepting lock work, but, the sear angle in a boxlock makes the gun far less likely to jar off than a sidelock, and builders eventually quit using them in boxlocks. I’d bet money that Toby removed those sears, if they were still there.
I wouldn’t be in a hurry to bend a piece of wood that old, either. Been there, wrecked that. Light loads would be an asset to keeping it healthy, but, might not be what you need to use or can get, easily.
For occasional, light use, that is a fine gun. As your main bang stick for everything, maybe not. You will have to evaluate what you are looking to do with the gun.
Good luck in your quest. I’m left handed also, I have one double that was stocked left, and otherwise muddle through with guns that are straight (no cast) or lightly cast right. My 16 double is a Nitro Special. Just a solid shooter that is reliable.

Best,
Ted

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Just understand what exactly you will be using the gun for. A model T is pretty cool to buzz around in on a sunny weekend, it would get old as a daily driver. There is a cost to be paid for low pressure short 16 gauge ammunition, and few retail operations bother with specifics for 16 gauge.
Wal Mart had the remains of a flat of Federal high brass lead pheasant loads, 1 1/8th loads at 1250fps, they were on sale at $4.50 a box. I got four of them, a buddy with an A5 and my Nitro Special will eat them after the snow flies. Those guns eat anything.
Good luck.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:19 pm  Reply with quote
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Get ‘em while they’re hot...

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-16-gauge/aya-number-2-sidelock-16-gauge-like-new-gorgeous.cfm?gun_id=101296423
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:51 pm  Reply with quote
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Get ‘em while they’re hot...

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-16-gauge/aya-number-2-sidelock-16-gauge-like-new-gorgeous.cfm?gun_id=101296423


Good price!
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If it had 30" barrels I'd be all over it .
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:01 am  Reply with quote
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Dave you got any pics of your new AYA /
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Dave you got any pics of your new AYA /


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