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| < 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Load for new Cheddite Hulls |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:22 am
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Been shooting and reloading 12 ga. and 20 ga. for several years and I am getting things together to start loading for a Stevens 311C in 16 ga. I have 500 new 2 3/4" primed Cheddite hulls from Grafs and SG16 wads. I have about 3 pounds of Hercules Unique that I would like to use up to start with. Will mostly load 7/8 oz for sporting clays and skeet, but will also load some 1 oz for grouse hunting and longer clays targets. After the first firing I will reload them with Win. 209 primers.
Looking at Lyman #5, the closest loads I can find are:
Fiocchi hull
21.0 gr. Unique
Win. 209
B.P. SG16
1 oz.
1258 fps, 8,500 psi
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Winchester Hull with plastic base wad
21.0 gr. Unique
Win. 209
Rem. SP16
1 oz.
1271 fps, 8,700 psi
I would like to keep the velocity slightly lower, about 1200 fps, so for my 1 oz load I thinking of:
Cheddite hull
19.5 gr. Unique (what my 155 bushing throws)
Cheddite primer (or Win. 209)
SG16
1 oz.
For my 7/8 oz load I would use the same except add a cheerio filler. I would try the DR16 wad, but nobody seems to have them in stock anywhere. I have done a lot of searching here and this would seem to be similar to what a lot of you guys are loading the Cheddite hulls with.
Also, I will start with a Lee Load All that I got some time ago. I do have and "extra" 12 ga. Mec 600 Jr. that I might convert to 16 ga. later on, but will start with the Lee.
Any tips or input would be greatly appreciated. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:27 pm
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| The volumes of the 16ga straight walled hulls are for all practical purposes interchangeable. Primers, of course will vary the pressure given all comments are otherwise the same. I load 7/8oz with a Winchester primer, stacked card load, in a federal hull for pen birds using 18.3 grains of unique. Dirty, but soft on the shoulder and effective on quail and chukar. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:55 pm
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Instead of a Cheerio, way not just buy the correct wad for 7/8 and get it over with.
The Downrange DR-16 with all the other components you have will work just fine.....and no Cheerio.
I load new Cheddites on my 9000G with the DR-16 with no issues . |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:03 pm
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| MSM2019 wrote: |
Instead of a Cheerio, way not just buy the correct wad for 7/8 and get it over with.
The Downrange DR-16 with all the other components you have will work just fine.....and no Cheerio.
I load new Cheddites on my 9000G with the DR-16 with no issues .
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While I liked the DR 16 wad for fit with 7/8 oz loads, I found them to be very inconsistent in Cheddite hulls.
I had many blooper shots with DR 16. I never experienced this with Claybuster or SG16 wads. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:32 pm
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Tom Armbrust did the testing.
Cheddite 2 3/4" 16 gauge hull
Winchester 209 primer
18.0 Grains American Select
DownRange DR-16 wad
3/4 oz. #7 1/2 Lead shot
Avg. Velocity - 1339 FPS - 2 Sd - 7 EV
Avg Pressure - 9,480 PSI - 300 PSI - EV
Cheddite 2 3/4" 16 gauge hull
Winchester 209 primer
23.0 Grains Universal
DownRange DR-16 wad
7/8 oz. #7 1/2 Lead shot
Avg. Velocity - 1424 FPS - 10 Sd - 25 EV
Avg Pressure - 11,180 PSI - 1000 PSI - EV
Pretty good stuff......All due respect the wad isn't causing the inconsistent ballistics. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:40 pm
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| MSM2019 wrote: |
Tom Armbrust did the testing.
Cheddite 2 3/4" 16 gauge hull
Winchester 209 primer
18.0 Grains American Select
DownRange DR-16 wad
3/4 oz. #7 1/2 Lead shot
Avg. Velocity - 1339 FPS - 2 Sd - 7 EV
Avg Pressure - 9,480 PSI - 300 PSI - EV
Cheddite 2 3/4" 16 gauge hull
Winchester 209 primer
23.0 Grains Universal
DownRange DR-16 wad
7/8 oz. #7 1/2 Lead shot
Avg. Velocity - 1424 FPS - 10 Sd - 25 EV
Avg Pressure - 11,180 PSI - 1000 PSI - EV
Pretty good stuff......All due respect the wad isn't causing the inconsistent ballistics.
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Probably not just the wad. I load 7/8 oz lead shot over 14 grains 700x with a Cheddite primer in a Cheddite hull. I use the Claybuster wad and pinto beans as filler. It chronographs at 1233 fps (3 shot average).
DR 16 gives some soft and slow shots with that load. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:08 pm
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I am sure it does.
If you look on the Hodgdon website, 14.0 grains of 700-X with a 1 oz. payload in a Federal hull only produces 8,300 PSI.
Drop 1/8 oz. of shot and that pressure is down in the 6,000 PSI range. THe Cheddite hull is a little more spacious so that will drop the pressure farther.
That is a very anemic load pressure wise. That is why you are having trouble. That load needs powder. It isn't a wad issue.
The DR-16 has some very long legs and they collapse easily, which probably drops the pressure more than the CB wads. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:36 pm
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| MSM2019 wrote: |
I am sure it does.
If you look on the Hodgdon website, 14.0 grains of 700-X with a 1 oz. payload in a Federal hull only produces 8,300 PSI.
Drop 1/8 oz. of shot and that pressure is down in the 6,000 PSI range. THe Cheddite hull is a little more spacious so that will drop the pressure farther.
That is a very anemic load pressure wise. That is why you are having trouble. That load needs powder. It isn't a wad issue.
The DR-16 has some very long legs and they collapse easily, which probably drops the pressure more than the CB wads.
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Please, I do not think the load that I am using needs more powder.
The fact that I am achieving 1233 fps with 7/8 oz of shot using only 14 grains of powder suits me just fine. Not being able to use the DR16 wad is a very small sacrifice for an inexpensive, low pressure decent velocity load. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:52 pm
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| I've loaded 17 gr International Clays with the DR-16 wad, 7/8 oz shot and a cheddite primer in the Herters cheddite case for quite a few years without incident. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:13 pm
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| MSM2019 wrote: |
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Instead of a Cheerio, way not just buy the correct wad for 7/8 and get it over with.
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If I could find somewhere that has the DR16 in stock I would gladly try them. I don't know whats up with Downrange, but it's hard to buy their products when no one has them. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:37 pm
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I saw that you are having trouble finding the DR16.
I checked out all the places I have bought from and couldn't find anything either.
The folks at DownRange need to get going. |
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Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:41 pm
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:24 am
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| I've found that the places that do have them on hand are outrageous on price. I can alter the CB wad in seconds and have no problem in cheddite hull. The cost savings is worth the time. 1225 to 1247 fps is average with 21grs 20/28. |
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:58 am
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| John Singer wrote: |
While I liked the DR 16 wad for fit with 7/8 oz loads, I found them to be very inconsistent in Cheddite hulls.
I had many blooper shots with DR 16. I never experienced this with Claybuster or SG16 wads.
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John, which reloading press are you using? |
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:44 am
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| kgb wrote: |
| John Singer wrote: |
While I liked the DR 16 wad for fit with 7/8 oz loads, I found them to be very inconsistent in Cheddite hulls.
I had many blooper shots with DR 16. I never experienced this with Claybuster or SG16 wads.
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John, which reloading press are you using?
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It's a Versa-Mec. |
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