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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Recommendations for a Setter breeder in WI? |
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:30 pm
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Hello Everyone,
It has been nearly three years since Jake, my German Shorthair, passed away. He was a terrific all-around bird dog and a good friend. I have put off getting a new dog for a lot of reasons since then, but I think it’s about time, now.
My wife is putting the pressure on for a setter; my kids, 3, 8, and 10, don’t particularly care what breed—they just want to have a canine companion in the house again.
I’ve always loved my shorthairs, going back forty years, but I’ve admired setters, too, from a distance. My 8- and 10-year old boys are getting to about that age where they can more than just tag along hunting for grouse so we’ll be making more and more trips north, as well as the occasional trip to SD, ID, and OR. This pup will probably end up hunting ruffed grouse in WI more than any other bird.
He’ll also end up living in the house, sleeping in kids’ beds, and going to baseball games, soccer tournaments, and runs to the ice-cream store. So I need a dog with some hunting lineage and an easy-going, family dog-type personality.
We live in SE Wisconsin. If you happen to know a breeder, of setters, in this area, would you mind shooting me their contact info?
Thanks very much,
8mmFan |
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:05 pm
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Location: Northern Illinois
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You may want to look at the below breeder. I bred my male setter to one of her dogs in February and the folks with the female have gotten good feedback. I live in your neck the woods but I drive to Idaho for my setters. I know this kennel has a very good reputation.
http://firelightbirddogs.com
A good friend of mine is breeding his dog this winter with a Spring litter. He has the niece of my male. He lives in LaCrosse, WI so that is closer than the above breeder. PM me if you have any interest. I don’t know if his pups are spoken for, but his litters are usually sold before he breeds his dogs.
Good Hunting,
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:07 pm
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Thank you! I will check them out. Where do you go, in Idaho, for your setters? I grew up west of Boise, in Middleton and Caldwell.
The boys and I didn’t make our annual trip this year due to work obligations.
Thanks again.
8mmFan |
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 pm
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Location: Northern Illinois
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October Setters in Island Park which is basically a wide spot in the road maybe 45 minutes SW of Yellowtone’s West Gate. Pretty country up there.
Good Hunting,
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:57 am
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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8mmfan,
If you would like to purchase a serious Gordon Setter to Grouse and Woodcock hunt with, I recommend ClearCut Kennel in MN. I have an 8 month old female from ClearCut Kennel and she is doing real well. Take a good look at ClearCut if you want a serious Setter Pup to Grouse hunt with. Black and Tans are Great Setters also, having owned 3 over the past 18 years, they are great Grouse & Woodcock dogs.
Pine Creek/Dave
Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers
Pine Creek Shadow our new ClearCut Kennel Gordon Grouse Dog Pup. With her buddy Pine Creek Heston our 8 year old Blue Belton, male Ryman Setter.
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:47 pm
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Thanks for that recommendation, Dave. That’s a great endorsement, as I know you do a pretty fair amount of brush-busting right here in WI.
Have you by any chance ever heard of Fireside Setters, in New Lisbon, WI? Evidently they have been breeding a line of Old Hemlock/Ryman setters. They are fairly close to home, for me.
Thanks again. 8mmFan |
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:43 am
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I am a brittany guy but my brother and friend have setter from Berg Brothers Setters in MN. They are excellent dogs, I strongly considering getting a dog from them when my old brit goes. |
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:46 am
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I'll give another vote to October Setters. If you're interested in a Ryman type English Setters they would be at the top of my list.
have two dogs from them. They are great house dogs and great hunters, especially on grouse.
My dogs hunt with drive. Range is reasonable and they adjust depending on the cover. Both are natural retrievers. Both were hunting andd holding birds well before their first birthday.
Mostly they are a joy to watch. They are like water flowing when hunting.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:40 am
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8mmFan wrote: |
Thanks for that recommendation, Dave. That’s a great endorsement, as I know you do a pretty fair amount of brush-busting right here in WI.
Have you by any chance ever heard of Fireside Setters, in New Lisbon, WI? Evidently they have been breeding a line of Old Hemlock/Ryman setters. They are fairly close to home, for me.
Thanks again. 8mmFan
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I am familiar with Fireside and the last I heard they were breeding Llewellin dogs for all age trials. But maybe they have added Rymans or changed their focus.
Below is a link to a website that was started to promote good health practices for Ryman Setters and some Hemlock breeders have joined the site. I think you will find most of the nationally recognized Ryman breeders are members of this organization. In most cases there are links to the breeders websites.
FWIW the friend I mentioned that is having a litter is a guide every year at the RGS National Hunt in Grand Rapids, MN. His dogs know their way around the grouse woods pretty well.
Good Luck in your search,
Mike |
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:48 am
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8mm,
If you would like to see an October setter work I can meet you at Bong Recreation Area. I think the season there has opened. I just got back from a month in Marquette and was going to get my WI license today. You might not see any birds but you can see the dog work.
Let me know and you can P.M. me.
Good Hunting,
Mike |
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:27 am
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Location: thick and uncivilized places in the Allegheny Mts.
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I have two Firelight setters and could not be happier. Great around people and natural born birddogs, no training required just bird experience. If I live long enough my next setter will be a Firelight setter.
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_________________ Going into coverts becomes less a chase with the sole purpose of killing; it remains important to find game but the gratification-and I keep coming back to that word-is in the beauty of finding it. George Bird Evans A Dog, A Gun, And Time Enough. |
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:51 am
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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8mmFan,
The men are giving you good advise on the Setter Kennels, everyone of them breeds good English Setter dogs. I would make sure the HD testing was done on the parents before the breeding was done, and that you pick an aggressive pup from what ever breeder you go with. I love Ryman Setter type dogs and owned one of the very best, if you have the right Ryman blood you will own a world class Grouse dog to hunt with.
Pine Creek/Dave
Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers
Pine Creek Ryman Daisy one of the best Ryman Setter Grouse dogs who every worked the Grouse woods thru out the USA, Canada, and Scotland. Daisy hunts with my Father and Grandfather now, in God's never ending Grouse woods. To say I miss her would be a big understatement. Having owned many great Grouse dogs here at Pine Creek, Daisy was right there at the top of the list. Pine Creek Penny was right there with her stride for stride, bird for bird.
Daisy presenting Ken Graft his 1st Grouse.
Pine Creek Penny with one of her mature spooky Potter County, Pa Grouse.
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:53 am
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Chicago wrote: |
8mmFan wrote: |
Thanks for that recommendation, Dave. That’s a great endorsement, as I know you do a pretty fair amount of brush-busting right here in WI.
Have you by any chance ever heard of Fireside Setters, in New Lisbon, WI? Evidently they have been breeding a line of Old Hemlock/Ryman setters. They are fairly close to home, for me.
Thanks again. 8mmFan
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I am familiar with Fireside and the last I heard they were breeding Llewellin dogs for all age trials. But maybe they have added Rymans or changed their focus.
Below is a link to a website that was started to promote good health practices for Ryman Setters and some Hemlock breeders have joined the site. I think you will find most of the nationally recognized Ryman breeders are members of this organization. In most cases there are links to the breeders websites.
FWIW the friend I mentioned that is having a litter is a guide every year at the RGS National Hunt in Grand Rapids, MN. His dogs know their way around the grouse woods pretty well.
Good Luck in your search,
Mike
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www.rymansetters.com
Another WI kennel I forgot to mention is Good-going up near Minneapolis. Their website is usually dated, but they have been around for many years and breed both Ryman types and all age trial dogs. They also run a top notch training center.
Sorry about that
and Good Hunting,
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:01 pm
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It's nice to see Rick post about his dogs from Lynn Dee Galey's Firelight line, Mike's reference to our breeder group, RymanSetters.com, and accolades for October and Goodgoing setters too. There are a lot of great choices there. You will find most of us in the group have a long track record of working together to maintain and improve this type of English Setter. With our organization online also came an increased emphasis on use of best modern breeding practices for health screening.
Here is my Sugar Creek Chiquita and my (new to me) J. Blanch 16 ga. with that gun's first Wisconsin grouse.
…and some more fun from Wisconsin:
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:20 am
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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Sugar Creek,
Real nice Setter Dogs! Loved the pictures.
Pine Creek/Dave
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