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rjlance
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:09 am  Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:49 am  Reply with quote
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rjlance wrote:
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All good reasons - well done

As a side note I have owned 13 pointing dogs over the years (GSP & ES) and every one of them retrieved and hunted dead and not a single one was force broke. At times they would be gone for five plus minutes and return with the bird. I think I can count on two hands the number of birds I dropped that those 13 dogs didn’t retrieve. On several occasions they literally dug grouse out from under stumps.

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Mike,

The Setter in the first and third photos is now 10. Great natural retriever. Very focused and tenacious. I can only remember 2 birds that I knocked down that he didn't bring back and that was early in his career. Still bothers me as they were Roosters and I think I was a little behind on my swing and shot their tail feathers off. They hit the ground running. My fault I guess.......

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This thread made my day a bit better, thank you gentlemen,,,,
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Go watch the Male and Female work it tells a lot.
Cooperative
Obedient
How far do they range.
Good desire to retrieve on dry land or wet.
Is there a lot of whistle blowing, screaming, and electrocuting?

I've never used a ecollar on my dogs and never had to force anything.

Good luck on your search and do your homework, you're making a 12-15 year commitment.

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I remember chukar hunting 12-13 years ago with a friend who was running three big running setters. These were big, all age field trial dogs, and true to form, one of them pointed on the other side of a canyon 5-600 yds away and my friend ended up having to shoot in the air to get them back. A short while later however, one of them went on point high on a ridge. After we scrambled up, the sun was coming over the ridge, and shining through that setter's tail like he was an angelic being sent down from bird dog heaven just for us. I'll never forget it. It was absolutely breathtaking, and I've been hooked on setters ever since.

My current 11 year old is more of a Llewellyn type, not a big runner, even when he was young. Maybe 3-400 yds. They are just flat out fantastic dogs. Like Canvasback said, you only hunt so many times a year, and the rest of the time, they're you housemate. Setters are so sweet and good natured and great around the house. My wife said I can have nothing but setters the rest of my life. I'm hoping to get a pup in the next year if things work out. Happy wife, happy life! Very Happy

Here he is with a friend's pointer after a hunt last November. He doesn't have the legs for chukars anymore, but I plan on getting him after pheasants, quail and grouse this fall.




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Nice looking Setter. I refer to that type as an "Orange and White". Much like my 4 year old. They look alike.


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rjlance wrote:
Nice looking Setter. I refer to that type as an "Orange and White". Much like my 4 year old. They look alike.



Yes indeed! I like the medium size too, as opposed to the larger 60+ lb variety.

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Uncle Dan,

I like Dual Setters like the Ryman and Gordon dogs I have had in the past, have owned some field trial size Setters also, in fact my current Gordon female does not weigh 35 lbs and is quite small. What I like most is a dog that sets the birds for my gunning, especially Grouse and Woodcock. My current Ryman pup is a nice size should be about 55 lbs full gown and man is she quick. Maggie already holds point until I arrive to shoot the birds, looks like she will be exactly what I need for hunting Grouse and Woodcock.

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Long rant.

My 10 month Britt and I went out to the game farm. New to me Fox Sterlingworth in 16 ga.

Gunner pointed the bird and I kicked it out. Slight right-hander shot. Missed it with the Mod barrel of 6s. Hit with the full of 6s. Bird pinwheeled and dropped to the ground. Marked the spot and sent Gunner in to get it.

No bird at marked site. Gunner was birdy all around the area and went into the small creek 10 meters from the shot site. Didn't believe him until I got down into the creek and then he grabbed the bird from a hollowed-out area under the bank.

Have had Springers and Labs and they would have been hard-pressed to find that bird.

Am looking to get a Setter to match-up with Gunner. Little bonehead doesn't care about water, briars, or rose bushes. But he has no style.

Is also at one year a terror in the house. Hope he grows out of it and mellows-out.

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Newtonian guy, I'll just say that the setters I have had didn't care about water, brambles or anything either. Lots of wounds over time they never noticed....just me when I saw the blood.

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Birddogs are the product of genetics, training, opportunity and, a bit of luck.

Breed...may well deliver greater odds of top-of-the-day performance thru the benefits found along the long-established trialing route or with a touch of home-cooking & tunnel vision but, hopefully, breed always falls second to the dog itself.

Can't say I ever saw a bad birddog....I have seen birddogs on bad days, exactly the same view as seen when looking in a mirror.
Breed....too often, an over-played brag hand.
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tramroad28 wrote:
Birddogs are the product of genetics, training, opportunity and, a bit of luck.

Breed...may well deliver greater odds of top-of-the-day performance thru the benefits found along the long-established trialing route or with a touch of home-cooking & tunnel vision but, hopefully, breed always falls second to the dog itself.

Can't say I ever saw a bad birddog....I have seen birddogs on bad days, exactly the same view as seen when looking in a mirror.
Breed....too often, an over-played brag hand.

Well said. Genetics should help,but environment is the test,and we all wish for more environment

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Why a setter?
Because they are not especially enthusiastic in the field? Smile



and never embarrass you in front of your hunting buddies





and just LOVE boot training



and good squirrel dogs too!



Hard to train setters when they are smarter than you are - at least that's been my experience Wink


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