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Joined: 08 Feb 2009 Posts: 1307 Location: Western WA

I'm finished with trying to reload Fiocchi hulls. Yes the plastic makes pretty crimps and seems to last forever. But the weak brass, or whatever metal the rim is, makes the reloads impossible to function in my repeaters. The rim expands after a reload or two and creates the nastiest jams imaginable in the A5 and M12, even after firm treatment with the Supersizer. I had to pound out a jammed live round in the A5 at the range with a blooper stick, after fully disassembling the gun. This was all done at the shooting station, no loaded live rounds allowed off the range proper. Then after the M12 jammed, the cartridge ejector ended up squeezed into the back of the receiver. What a mess.

No such problems whatsoever with Cheddites, Rio, Rem, Fed, etc.

The O/U and SXS guns can digest the Fiocchi reloads but the base wads become dislodged after a couple firings and the rims split and leak gas all through the actions.

So that's it, life's too short for such troubles.

Cheers
B.

Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Posts: 523 Location: Texas

Agreed. Learned long time ago Fiocchi hulls were junk. Still have about 100 of them. I refuse to mess with them. There are way better hulls out there and no issues with crimp or the heads.

Member Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 3438 Location: Illinois

That's THE only hull I leave on the ground when found.

Guest

I never mess with reloading Fiocchi hulls.

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1837 Location: Central ND

Yikes,

While they aren't my favorite hull, I haven't had any problem with Fiocchi's in my M12 or any of my other shotguns.

Are you resizing the hulls back to within 0.003" or so of factory minimum, which is 0.735". So the resize would be 0.738".

I honestly do not have eject/extract problem with any hull (brass or steel) in any shotgun.

All of my shotguns have chambers that are within SAAMI tolerances which is 0.745" to 0.750", measured right at the very breech end of the chamber.

Not trying to be an a*****e about this. I just wonder why reasonably good ammo (Fiocchi ammo is good stuff) and the hulls that the company uses are such a problem in some situations.

B11,
Ditto on Fio-bloopies. Poorest hull out there in 16 for reloads IMO. I've got a BPS that does the same with new Fiocchis, get the pool cue out to eject from chamber in most cases. No fun if the dogs are pointed and the truck is a quarter of mile away.

It seems to me that there are minor differences in each brand of ammo, differences that may or may not show up in a particular gun. Minor differences in hull steel/brass thickness, rims, expansion, etc., plus minor differences in a gun's chamber could and does cause issues with some guns.

The relatively new Model 800 Remington I have barely ejects Remington ammo, new or reloaded, but throws everything else well clear of the gun. Go figure.

Joined: 17 Oct 2019 Posts: 455 Location: New Jersey

Normally the only “new” ammo I shoot is Fiocchi. But most of what I shoot are reloads. Cheddites in the 16’s and AA’s in my 12 gauge Elsie that I use for vintage clays.

Joined: 17 Oct 2019 Posts: 455 Location: New Jersey

Normally the only “new” ammo I shoot is Fiocchi. But most of what I shoot are reloads. Cheddites in the 16’s and AA’s in my 12 gauge Elsie that I use for vintage clays.

Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Posts: 567 Location: wheeling, wv

At the Northern SXS this past weekend, I was shooting my VHE Parker 20 and my buddy was shooting an absolutely pristine Remington 17 20 ga pump on the small bore course. He had new Fiocchi 20's and his gun jammed after every shot. I had Federal Top Guns + my AA reloads. These worked fine in his gun, no problems--and of course the Fiocchi's worked fine in my Parker. When we got back to the truck, I just traded my Feds for his Fiocchi's. His extractor was ripping the rim off of the Fiocchi's--they are a little "hotter" than my reloads, but I will shoot them up.

mark , have had that story repeat in 12ga and 16 . I would guess a softer basewad . Just doesn't seem to occur with the Chedds or Feds (love that paper cushion myself ).

Joined: 08 Feb 2009 Posts: 1307 Location: Western WA

Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 171 Location: VA

Hypothetically speaking .... for curiosity and the good of the order...
If one wants to buy new primed hulls to self load, that are not Fiocchi, the question becomes:

Is there any significant difference between Cheddite and Rio?

Cheers!
jpm

Joined: 08 Feb 2009 Posts: 1307 Location: Western WA

There is a difference between Rio and Cheddite hulls. Rio hulls require Rio primers. Rio primer pockets are larger diameter than Cheddite, so Cheddite primers will fall out of Rio hulls. But Rio primers can be used in Cheddite hulls.

B.

had some what of the same problem with rem hulls, after a few reloads they jammed up some of my older guns, like my 1946 Ithaca 37, with tighter chambers, but worked fine in my newer guns. the solution was to use the older rem peterson hulls in my older guns, no more jams

Joined: 21 Mar 2019 Posts: 523 Location: Texas

Had a similar problem with gun clubs( reloads) found out that resize ring was to low and flattening out the brass head to much. Slight adjustment and back in business. They would fire just fine but the extractor would jump past the rim and leave the shell stuck in the chamber. It would be necessary to use a cleaning rod to remove fired shell.