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Brewster11
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:34 am  Reply with quote



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...if CSMC offered a lightweight 16ga SxS, lightly struck barrels, fixed chokes, double triggers, bored out buttstock, straight grip, splinter foreend, 6 lbs or thereabout? I'd jump on it like a fumble in the endzone.

I wonder if they would accept an order for a configuration like that. Although their current 16 ga SxS line comes in around 7 lbs, one would think they could manufacture a 6 lb SxS.

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skeettx
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:31 am  Reply with quote
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Something like this to your specs?

https://connecticutshotgun.co/a-h-fox/

Looks like the CE grade would do just fine.

The following features are standard on all guns:

Automatic safety
Automatic ejectors
Double triggers
Chromox barrels, choice of barrel length: 26, 28, or 30 inches
Choice of choke for each barrel
Gold bar on breech end of barrel rib
2 3/4 inch chambers
Turkish Circassian walnut gun stocks with hand rubbed oil finish
Choice of straight grip, full pistol grip (with cap), or semi-pistol grip stock
The standard stock is 14 1/4 inches long (from front trigger). with 1 1/2inches drop at comb and 2 1/2 inches drop at heel. Stocks will be made to order - any length and with any drop at no extra charge (within the range of normal standards.)
Cast off (or on) for stocks
Hard rubber butt plate or traditional solid red pad
Splinter forend (CE); Schnabel (XE, DE, FE )
Ivory bead sights


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df
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:45 am  Reply with quote



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I have a csmc in 20 ga, very nice shotgun. If I wanted a 16 from them, it would be high end wood, pistol grip, single trigger, 28”, mod/IC.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:46 am  Reply with quote



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skeettx
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pm  Reply with quote
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AND if you leave off the auto safety material
and the ejector hardware, you would have a lighter gun Smile
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Brewster11
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:10 pm  Reply with quote



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Skeetx, thank you, the Fox is a wonderful outstanding CSMC product and it proves that CSMC can make a lightweight 16 ga. Be that as it may, my personal tastes favor the so-called “Clean Breech” designs with underbites (W21, Purdey, etc) over rib extensions found on Fox, Lefever, et al. Yes, picky picky indeed, there’s no explaining it.

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Brewster11
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:24 pm  Reply with quote



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Yes df I would like upgraded wood but very contrasty straight grain for strength and efficiency instead of swirl cake figure.

I have an old 12 ga M12 with Herters Grand Deluxe American Walnut stock which has almost ridiculously exaggerated figure which looks great but is heavy as an old creosote post.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:57 pm  Reply with quote
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I'd like to see a 16ga Revalation, 27" IC/Mod and DT. ~6lbs 2oz+/- would be fine.
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Brewster11
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:12 pm  Reply with quote



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I checked with CSMC on the prospects for a lightweight 16 ga RBL or similar, and they indicated it was not feasible. So the Fox is their only lightweight 16 ga option as Skeetx correctly discerned.

Next step is to find 20 large for the Fox.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:38 pm  Reply with quote



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I would guess that for liberal application of dollars Antony would whip up one of these in 16-gauge at whatever weight you want --




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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:01 pm  Reply with quote
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OR get this one and fix it the way your want it

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23147

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:33 am  Reply with quote
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Brewster11 wrote:
...if CSMC offered a lightweight 16ga SxS, lightly struck barrels, fixed chokes, double triggers, bored out buttstock, straight grip, splinter foreend, 6 lbs or thereabout? I'd jump on it like a fumble in the endzone.

I wonder if they would accept an order for a configuration like that. Although their current 16 ga SxS line comes in around 7 lbs, one would think they could manufacture a 6 lb SxS.

B.


I realize you are looking for a more upscale gun, but the only thing out there within reach of the average guy is the FAIR Iside or a comparable B. Rizzini for a little more money. The 28" guns are around 6 lbs or a little less, and my 30' 16 ga. Iside is just a hair under 6 lbs. 3 oz. The triggers on mine came at 3.4 & 3.9 pounds with no creep. No one else has anything close unless you've got 20 grand to blow.
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Brewster11
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I realize you are looking for a more upscale gun

Actually I am not bent on spending large sums of money. I would like to find, I daresay, a product of an American manufacturer with a century or so lineage of robust quality and time-tested durability.

Not to dismiss contemporary Italian products, but the one lightweight Italian SxS in the cabinet is already showing indications of looseness and softening in the action after maybe a thousand or so rounds through it.

That being said, the Italian models you mention seem like ideal solutions. Times change, after all, and maybe my outlook needs to as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:07 pm  Reply with quote
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I realize you are looking for a more upscale gun

Actually I am not bent on spending large sums of money. I would like to find, I daresay, a product of an American manufacturer with a century or so lineage of robust quality and time-tested durability.


I'd look for a Fox Sterlingworth and do what it takes to get it to fit you.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:02 pm  Reply with quote



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It wasn’t a 16 but I was handling one of Tony’s sidelock A Galazan price no object guns on Tuesday night. It was a 20. Stunning gun. There were also a few Holland’s and a Purdey and a bar in wood Purdey in 20 ga but the Galazan was the stand out. And I don’t even like O/U! Laughing

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