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fishrising
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:14 pm  Reply with quote



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Another 16! I acquired a 1920’s A.H. Fox 16ga A Grade with 3wt barrels, refinished in the 70’s so I was told. I don’t know much else about it, but will be ordering the card for it. 28”, 2 beads, 2 3/4” chambers, IC/IM. I’m guessing the chambers and chokes were altered.

I will most likely install a period correct (repro if I must) pad for it. Need to do homework on that. Problem is I need 15” +/- a little length of pull, so I will need to figure out a way to lengthen it without it looking “too modern.” LoP to the end of the wood is about 13 7/8” and to the end of the pad is about 14 3/4” (so it’s close).

It seems to potentially have a trigger/firing issue with the 2nd trigger. 1st trigger seems fine, but the 2nd seems soft and does not “click” when using snap caps. I haven’t actually shot this gun yet. Previous owner says he recently shot some clays with it, and it was fine.

Anyway, on to the pics:

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Trying to link a video of the trigger sounds, 1st sound is safety off, 2nd is the 1st trigger, 3rd is the 2nd trigger. Listening to this sounds better (like the 2nd trigger is fine) than I am hearing when I do actually do it:
https://fishrising.smugmug.com/Category/n-jxzHf/Fox/i-9fhxnkq

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:00 pm  Reply with quote
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Wow!!
Nice shotgun
Use it well and often
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Congrats! Nice weapon!
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SWEET !!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:39 am  Reply with quote
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Beautiful gun, you have found a real keeper. On your pad issue, you might be forced to fit two pads, one for shooting and a second period pad for show. Galzan has quite a few period recoil pads to choose from. On your pad for shooting, when I'm forced to use spacers with a pad, I like to epoxy the pad and spacer together and grind it like an extra thick pad. My A H Fox Special needed more length and a change of pitch that I solved by epoxying a tapered spacer to a Pachmayer SC-100 pad. It fits me great now.




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Lovely,
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Really nice!

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WyoChukar
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Saw elsewhere that gun has #3 barrels, so I imagine it is light and well balanced. Be careful adding a spacer that will get you to 15" since it will affect this balance. Of course, there a ways to remedy this, usually strategic removal of wood inside the stock.

The traditional method of lengthening over in England is to add an extension, made of wood that matches the color and grain of the original stock as closely as possible. There is the inevitable seem where the two meet of course. The only method I know to completely hide this, is to do a series of inlays all the way around the stock (think pool cue). This is an attractive option (even without an extension to hide) but an awful lot of work ($$$ if you are not the guy with the inlay skills).

I would try the gun before passing judgement on the trigger. However, as reliable and well built as Fox guns are, one of the few issues that pop up on guns that have been fired a tremendous number off times, is the trigger sear. Being a double trigger gun, I would think the front trigger/ right sear (most fired) would be the problem and not the other. Like I said, give it a try and go from there.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:18 am  Reply with quote
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Nice gun! I love mine and bet you'll love yours too. If you decide on an extension our own Uncle Dan Fan can make seam that invisible.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:15 am  Reply with quote
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WyoChukar wrote:
Saw elsewhere that gun has #3 barrels, so I imagine it is light and well balanced. Be careful adding a spacer that will get you to 15" since it will affect this balance. Of course, there a ways to remedy this, usually strategic removal of wood inside the stock.

The traditional method of lengthening over in England is to add an extension, made of wood that matches the color and grain of the original stock as closely as possible. There is the inevitable seem where the two meet of course. The only method I know to completely hide this, is to do a series of inlays all the way around the stock (think pool cue). This is an attractive option (even without an extension to hide) but an awful lot of work ($$$ if you are not the guy with the inlay skills).

I would try the gun before passing judgement on the trigger. However, as reliable and well built as Fox guns are, one of the few issues that pop up on guns that have been fired a tremendous number off times, is the trigger sear. Being a double trigger gun, I would think the front trigger/ right sear (most fired) would be the problem and not the other. Like I said, give it a try and go from there.


Note that some spacers are solid phenolic material and therefore a little hefty, but some that Brownell's sells are made from a much lighter material and shouldn't affect the balance significantly. Another trick on keeping the lengthening as light as possible is using as large of a Decelerator or SC-100 pad as you can without grinding into the metal reinforcing plate. The Pachmayer pads are hollow with ribbing in the middle and a medium pad on a stock will be lighter than a small pad on the same stock.

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I have an A 16 also with 28" barrels that I assume were orig. M/F, but someone made it IC/IC--which is just fine for how I hunt over my setters. I think it weighs 6 lbs 4 oz. I bought it back around 1990.

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Researcher
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 pm  Reply with quote



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None of the wood is original. Firing problem may be with the inletting of the new stock.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:03 pm  Reply with quote
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Really nice looking find.

You may want to consider having the stock extended by our own member:

https://www.marklarsonart.com

He can do it with a variety of materials and then he extends the existing mineral streaks and the end result is an invisible extension. You could add a period butt or have it checkered.

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Bret
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Nice gun.

That one is on my wish list.

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Dave in Maine
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:03 am  Reply with quote



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Researcher wrote:
None of the wood is original. Firing problem may be with the inletting of the new stock.


What Researcher said. The cheeks of the buttstock don't match up correctly with the receiver's lines, and there are gaps - tiny but noticeable - in some of the inletting. Also, some of the screws could be overtightened or improperly tightened. This is, of course, based only on the photos - an in-hand inspection by a smith specializing in doubles is necessary.

If the LOP is too short, rather than going the full route of an extension, a slip-over pad can do the job quite well for a lot less money and time. And since the LOP you need can vary depending on how much clothing you wear, such a pad can be adjusted or removed if and as needed.

Finally, take some time and shoot the gun to see whether it works for you as is. It is not uncommon for someone to know "their" "numbers" and for the gun's "numbers" to be all wrong, yet the shooter cannot miss with that gun as is. The proof is in the shooting.

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