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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Preferred hulls to reload |
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:53 pm
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Location: Minnesota
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What’s the preferred hull that’s currently manufactured for reloading 16 ga? |
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:01 pm
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Location: West MI
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All current things considered, any with a 16 stamped on the one end.
Kidding/history aside, my preference is for Win/Ched/RST (equal in my eyes) & RGL. |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:47 pm
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I would prefer the Rio if it weren't for the Rio primers. The hull is very rugged. Even on the fold. But you must use their primers. Thats the down side.
I do keep a few hundred hulls and keep 2000 primers on hand though. |
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Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:09 pm
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Joined: 21 Mar 2019
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Location: Texas
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If you really want to use Rio with American primers, they make a tool that works well. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:46 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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The hull that reloads the easiest is the Remington, however many times they don't last more than 2 - 3 reloads.
My 2 favorites are Federal and RIO. I agree with Hammer bill, the RIO's are rugged. I bought a case of RIO primers and use the RIO hulls for sporting clays. They cycle well through my 16 ga. 1100. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:21 am
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Joined: 06 Jan 2021
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Location: Florida
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For me lately Cheddite, Rio, Federal, and Remington in that order. A lot of my federal’s are older hulls and I think that’s why I currently prefer the other straight wall hulls.
The Remington’s just don’t last near as good as the Euro hulls, I feel like Remington is still using plastic from the 90’s when it comes to 16 gauge. Also the fact that some Remington game loads are 6 point and some are 8 point makes it annoying while reloading. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:04 am
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From previous threads on the question of hulls, it really seems to be personal choice as to what is best, instead of a collective answer.
You could try to set up a poll, perhaps.
FWIW, I like Federals. Others don't because of a paper basewad, or they only get a few loading out of them.
The number of reloads per hull seems to be dependent upon the user. Person A will claim 7-8 loads out of hull X, but Hull Y splits the first time. Person B will say Hull Y reloads 5 times, and they could never get a crimp on Hull X and they split the second time, so they gave them all to Person A!
Many variables in: age/lot of the hulls, loads, guns, presses...
So, long story short, YMMV. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:40 am
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Joined: 31 Dec 2020
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Location: United States
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For me it is the Cheddites. RGL hulls get crispy too quick. I have been having good luck with Cheddites with 7/8 oz loads over Vectan A1. They seem to hold up well and I am breaking clays. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:20 pm
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Joined: 07 Jun 2020
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16'er wrote: |
From previous threads on the question of hulls, it really seems to be personal choice as to what is best, instead of a collective answer.
You could try to set up a poll, perhaps.
FWIW, I like Federals. Others don't because of a paper basewad, or they only get a few loading out of them.
The number of reloads per hull seems to be dependent upon the user. Person A will claim 7-8 loads out of hull X, but Hull Y splits the first time. Person B will say Hull Y reloads 5 times, and they could never get a crimp on Hull X and they split the second time, so they gave them all to Person A!
Many variables in: age/lot of the hulls, loads, guns, presses...
So, long story short, YMMV.
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Very true on the variables of old hulls, both in terms of Load type and age. I often wonder how the pile of win AA’s I hoarded away will hold up if I ever use them. |
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:50 pm
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Old colonel, I don't think they will hold up at all so you prolly should just send them to me and I'll properly dispose of them for you |
_________________ Joe
Browning 525 sporting 32" 16 gauge
Browning 525 sporting 30" 16 gauge
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Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:32 pm
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Joined: 08 Feb 2009
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Location: Western WA
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I have been reloading 16 ga far more than I ever anticipated. Reloading has essentially eliminated a great impediment to my 16 ga shooting, I.e. , the emotional resistance of forking over my hard earned funds to purchase 16ga ammo at someone else’s price and convenience. Reloading gives much of the choices and initiative back to me.
As far as 16ga hulls go, my preferred choice is Cheddite in any of its various incarnations inc RST, Win, etc. Cheddite hulls fill and crimp consistently, have precision fit with many Euro type wads, use all kinds of primers including Rio, reload many times, and perform great.
However, Rio hulls have lately become available to me in quantity, and have proven to be a very solid alternative to Cheddite. They reload and perform identically to Cheddite, with the exception of requiring Rio primers. When I exhaust my supply of Rio primers, my cartons of Rio hulls might be relegated to long term storage.
After significant use of RGL hulls, I now regard them with deep dissatisfaction. Yes they can be reloaded but the texture of the plastic is very coarse and weak. However the most serious flaw is their undersized internal dimensions, for which only Remington wads are suitable, and not the more advanced Euro wad designs, if one takes component design and fit seriously.
Fed hulls have good utility but their composition base wads have short lifespan in humid conditions.
Finally, notwithstanding the great ardor expressed here by many for Win CF hulls, the tapered wall hull design is obsolete if not outright hazardous.
ADDENDUM: After reloading several 100s of Fiocchi hulls I noticed frequent base wad separation after 2 or 3 reloads. I no longer regard them as useful for my recreational reloading purposes.
V/R
B. |
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:19 am
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Brewster11 wrote: |
ADDENDUM: After reloading several 100s of Fiocchi hulls I noticed frequent base wad separation after 2 or 3 reloads. I no longer regard them as useful for my recreational reloading purposes.
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I find this as well but with the Rio hulls w/pink or red base wad more so than Fio's. For that reason I haven't shot Rio hulls for some time but maybe these glowing reports of current stock means they've re-engineered the base wad to stay in place better. |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:16 am
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Joined: 30 Nov 2011
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Location: Minnesota
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Seems like the only complaint on rgl's is longevity. If only Remington had a better plastic...
Seems that you can get the same velocity with less powder than other hulls
You can use the claybuster wads,which are much cheaper
Loading with a Sizemaster,I never have any problems and they crimps are great.
In a pinch like when things get scarce, you can use the Fed20s1 wad for 7/8 oz
At least in the past if you got the right batch, they loaded up as 2 5/8 for short chamber gun needs
Has anyone ever noticed if the rgls last longer with a particular powder? |
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Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:26 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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putz463 & Brewster11,
I haven't had the problem with RIO's having the basewads get loose. But thanks for the heads up.
My RIO hulls are from new factory loads that were 1 oz. @ 1300 FPS, red hull, high metal head, with a red basewad. They were old stock bought at Dick's about 3 years ago. Gonna guess the hulls are about 4 years old.
I will check them all before I reload them and I will post any issues with loose basewads here. I am using RIO primers and I am resizing them to 0.737" to 0.738", using a 9000G or a Sizemaster. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Posted:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:25 am
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Joined: 21 Mar 2019
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Location: Texas
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I also haven’t had any issue with Rio’s. I have cut several apart and getting the base wad out even then is tough, so maybe they fixed the problem. Then again I load the cheap federal paper base wad and don’t have problems. I do however use an o/u so any issue isn’t an issue for long. |
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