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double vision
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:33 pm  Reply with quote
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MSM2019 wrote:
So if I get this right, folks are trying to use Longshot for 1 oz. 16 ga. loads?


No

I was actually looking at 1 1/8 oz loads with Longshot. It seems pretty forgiving.
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:50 pm  Reply with quote



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doublevision,

Well actually I was kinda wondering and commenting on other folks posts.


As far as Longshot loading data for 16 ga. 1 1/8 oz. loads, there are quite a few on the Hodgdon website.

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MatthewWyatt
PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:10 am  Reply with quote



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MSM2019 wrote:
So if I get this right, folks are trying to use Longshot for 1 oz. 16 ga. loads? With the expectation that it will react the same as a different powder with a faster burn rate.

Not going to happen. Longshot was made for heavier loads with higher velocities. On the burn rate charts it is listed as slower than Blue Dot. 800-X is listed after Herco but before Blue Dot. I realize that burn rate charts aren't gospel, but the difference between 800-X and Longshot is substantial.

When you make Longshot work, it is very compliant. When you put it behind a 16 gauge 1 oz. load, it may or may not behave the way you want it to.

Most powders, suitable for shotshells work best when they are producing 10,000 PSI. That is what they are designed to do.

Go look at the Hodgdon website. Peruse the Longshot data for 1 oz. 16 gauge loads, using Federal and Winchester hulls. It starts with a velocity of 1300 FPS @ 8,400 PSI. The Remington hull starts at 1250 FPS. Using lots of Longshot in all 3 hulls.......that tells you they are adding powder to produce pressure, because the payload isn't making the powder work.....it is just loafing along. Something to understand is that just because there is data for a load does not mean it is a great load.

IMHO, if you want two good solid powders for 1 oz. 16 ga. loads they are Universal and Unique. Those are the best powders for 1 oz. loads in the 16 if you want velocities from 1200 to 1300 FPS or so.

Good loads are built using components that fit in the hull for a good crimp without adding a bunch of stuff to build wad column and components that produce consistent ballistics. If you want consistent ballistics you need to match the powder to the task. Yes Yes Yes I know there are exceptions, but if you want good loads you use the fastest burning powder to get the velocity that you are looking for and keeping the pressure in the area of 10,000 PSI and higher.

As far as a powder that duplicates 800-X, forget it. 800-X is a very unique powder. It has some characteristics that make it a very good cold weather powder. It is also a very primer sensitive powder that you can use to your advantage.

I am NOT a fan of "low pressure" loads. I don't believe in them and I believe a lot of folks are using them for no good reason.

I am sure some of this is not going to go over well, but I am trying to save folks time and money.

This has made more sense than I can say in just a single post. I will try to keep my comments short and simple.
Pressure creates heat, heat creates burn, and burn creates a clean barrel. This is why I do not just use one primer. I use different primers because of heat range and pressure. Pressure, when used wisely, can be your friend and not your enemy. Thanks for sharing this MSM2019.

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Brewster11
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:30 pm  Reply with quote



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1000 SG16S wads arrived from BPI yesterday. Ten day turnaround and the price was not unreasonable- $52 inc. shipping and state and local taxes. Local municipality gouged us for a dollar even though we’re several miles outside city limits, maybe next time I should order with full nine digit zip code. BPI has served us well over the years with no complaints here.

Anyway, we’re ready to get back in production. There’s a bin of 500 primed and sized 2 1/2” Cheddite/Herters/Rio hulls ready to be filled with the remainder of the 800-X and a trial run of some 7/8 oz Red Dot loads.

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