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britgun
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:59 am  Reply with quote
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....here's one for you.....yesterday, I went out with 2 factory boxes of Federal Hi Brass to simply shoot up because I needed the hulls for reloading coyote buckshot loads.

OK, so I take the Sweet 16 with me, and in the event of a problem, took along a Model 12 (16 bore). Now I know when your not shooting game or even at a clay, you are more aware of the kick, but man oh man......

.......I fired the first box through the Browning and I'm here to tell you, that thing plain beat me up! I felt so whacked that I was going to forget about the other box even though I wanted to reload 50 hulls, but for the heck of it, took out the Winchester just out of curiosity, and ended up shooting the entire second box up without the same punishing recoil, and the Model 12's about a half pound lighter!!

What's up with that?

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brit: I'm no physicist but I wouldn't be surprised if the difference in stock dimensions played a part in it. I've owned several A-5's---in fact I own a nice one now --and psychologically, I've wondered if all the slamming and motion of the long-recoil action doesn't lend itself to the perception of more felt recoil too. Does the gun fit you? If the A-5 doesn't fit you particularly well, it's easier for the stock to come up and bust you in the chops...

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Did you have the friction rings set up correctly? Given the same gun fit the A-5 should have less felt recoil.

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I can shoot several boxes through my A-5 without really noticing it, but my Citori knocks the slobber out of me. I'm thinking, along the lines of the above post, and in accord with other things I 've read on this forum, that adding a little length to the stock will help me. Just haven't had a chance to try it yet, though.

My lightest gun, an alloy Rem 31, is the lightest recoiling, thanks to an ugly Polychoke compensator. It really works.
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Wolfchief wrote:
brit: I'm no physicist but I wouldn't be surprised if the difference in stock dimensions played a part in it. I've owned several A-5's---in fact I own a nice one now --and psychologically, I've wondered if all the slamming and motion of the long-recoil action doesn't lend itself to the perception of more felt recoil too. Does the gun fit you? If the A-5 doesn't fit you particularly well, it's easier for the stock to come up and bust you in the chops...




yeah, it fit pretty well, maybe a half inch short in the stock because it's factory, both guns about the same factory length with original buttplates....

it was so much harder on the shoulder wham wham wham, that's where Iwas feelin it.... It is baffling that the lighter gun kicked so significantly less with the same ammo AFTER I'd already beat the chocolate out of my shoulder....

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CitoriFeather16 wrote:
Did you have the friction rings set up correctly? Given the same gun fit the A-5 should have less felt recoil.

Matt






good point, yes, I did check the ring before I ventured forth and it was correct for the loads I was shooting ("heavy" loads) this cherry Sweet 16 even still has the picture in the inside of the forarm so I could be sure I had it right....

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662 wrote:
I can shoot several boxes through my A-5 without really noticing it, but my Citori knocks the slobber out of me. I'm thinking, along the lines of the above post, and in accord with other things I 've read on this forum, that adding a little length to the stock will help me. Just haven't had a chance to try it yet, though.

My lightest gun, an alloy Rem 31, is the lightest recoiling, thanks to an ugly Polychoke compensator. It really works.




OK, I'll put a Pachmyr rubber slip on there, and lengthen it, and give me some padding..... then try it again, I'll do it on both guns and test it again.........me, too, my lightest gun, a French 5 pounder feels like less recoil than this 6 1/2- 6 3/4 pound Browning.... it's just weird...

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That is a little weird. I've owned both older Model 12 16 gauge guns and a Browning SW 16 and my current Rem 11 (humpback like the SW16) 16 gauge. My humpbacks have always seemed to have less recoil than the M12's. But hey, it is what it is "to you," and no one can tell you what you are experiencing. My 7 pound Rem 11 is as soft shooting as my Beretta gas autoloader.

Maybe you should just send me that nasty Sweet Sixteen for some extensive longitudinal studies. It might take me a few years to report back.
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Brit, I guess that gun doesn't fit you. Plus it's too heavy for you. You may have to send it down this way! Laughing

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I've got A-5"s from 16"s up to magnum 12"s. One of the last one made. The 16 is not a sweet sixteen and I can shoot that all day. The sixteen has had all the springs replaced. Serial number 33XXX. I sold a magnum 12 last year as I had 2 of them. He brought it back complaining about the recoil. I took it apart and checked the rings. He had taken it apart and a buddy of his put it back together. Anyway, if I'm closer and you want to get rid of the a-5, I have an extra place in my cabinet.
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Dave Erickson wrote:
That is a little weird. I've owned both older Model 12 16 gauge guns and a Browning SW 16 and my current Rem 11 (humpback like the SW16) 16 gauge. My humpbacks have always seemed to have less recoil than the M12's. But hey, it is what it is "to you," and no one can tell you what you are experiencing. My 7 pound Rem 11 is as soft shooting as my Beretta gas autoloader.

Maybe you should just send me that nasty Sweet Sixteen for some extensive longitudinal studies. It might take me a few years to report back.





oh, well, I would feel just too awful if somebody else got hurt like I did, I better keep it up here so everybody stays safe....

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CitoriFeather16 wrote:
Brit, I guess that gun doesn't fit you. Plus it's too heavy for you. You may have to send it down this way! Laughing

Matt




yeah, such a clunker, what is a bantam weight barrel whipper to do??

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oldhunter wrote:
I've got A-5"s from 16"s up to magnum 12"s. One of the last one made. The 16 is not a sweet sixteen and I can shoot that all day. The sixteen has had all the springs replaced. Serial number 33XXX. I sold a magnum 12 last year as I had 2 of them. He brought it back complaining about the recoil. I took it apart and checked the rings. He had taken it apart and a buddy of his put it back together. Anyway, if I'm closer and you want to get rid of the a-5, I have an extra place in my cabinet.




Gosh, all you guys are so darn nice, wanting to rescue me from this nasty old gun....maybe I'll just have to list it on the board someday, it's a cherry '1963, 28" MOD.....
I just got back from a hike and I was thinking, anybody would get sore firing 25 rounds straight as fast as they could reload....but the weird thing was how gentle the very same loads felt in the Model 12, and I was loadin and shuckin' just as fast with that, too....

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Hey Brit,

Life's wierd. My 6 1/2 lb. gun kicks more than my 5 1/2 lb. gun. Both are German SXS's. Both guns have the exact same pad installed, both have close enough dimensions, and the only perceivable difference is the heavier gun has a longer barrel. Until I saw your post, I thought it was all in my head.

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Britgun. All kidding aside. You may feel it shooting clays with your A-5. When you get out in the field(with that best dog) and that pheasant gets up and you have a nice quartering shot? Which one can get on the bird best? Myself, I have never found anything like that A-5 sixteen gauge in 26" or 28". My L C Smithe sxs compares, but thats a 12 gauge($300.00).You can go out in the field and your A-5 will feel like a 22.
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