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jim18611865
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:19 am  Reply with quote
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=66919667

I don't know if this is a good price, but this dealer on other guns seems high.
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16gaugeguy
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:51 pm  Reply with quote
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This one is not a Marlin. It is a Sears Ranger. it might be identical to a Marlin 90 in every way but name, but the name carries weight. $250 is about what it might bring. This guy is very high I think.
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Charles Hammack
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:15 am  Reply with quote
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Hello :

Sorry 16gg this is a Marlin 90 made for the Sears Company under the Range name before WWII



the Higgins name after WWII and it is in nice shape
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Thanks for pointing the gun out have been busy and hadnt seen this one


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Larry Brown
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:29 am  Reply with quote
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Some names do carry weight, but I don't think Marlin is one of them. Blue Book shows Model 90 in 90% at $330; add 15% for 16ga. Personally, from the photos, I'd buy it at the reserve price, but not much more. $250 won't buy you much in a 16ga these days. Nor in a 12, for that matter--the Cowboy Action guys have pushed the prices up.
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gold40
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I owned one of these Sears 16 gauge guns for a while. It was O.K. and serviceable, but nothing special. It felt a bit "clubby" and I eventually traded it off.

A college friend hunted with one as his only shotgun for many years. He loved it, and killed a lot of Illinois pheasants.

That gun should probably sell at $400.

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16gaugeguy
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:02 pm  Reply with quote
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That is my point Larry. Thought the Marlin name does not carry as much weight, as many other brand names, it certainly carries much more than theRanger name made for Sears. Usually, guns made for Sears were a more utilitarian version with plainer wood, or birch substituted for walnut, lesser refined assembly techniques, less polish, thinner bluing, etc.

Charles, I'm fully aware the gun was made by Marlin for Sears. that does not make it a Marlin. It is a Sears and as such, is worth about 1/2 of what a Marlin 90 would bring. Those who own a Model 94 Winchester under the Sears trade name or a Marlin/Glenfield model 336 under the Sears name also find their guns will not trade for much more than 1/2 what the "Name" gun will bring.

This can pay off for the buyer who is looking for a comparably performing gun at a much better price. However, anyone who pays much more than $250 for this gun could have done a darn sight better dealwise. I'm not saying the gun is a bad gun, just a bad deal pricewise. This is just the reality of the gun trading business. Sears guns sell cheaper regardless of who made them.
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Charles Hammack
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:54 pm  Reply with quote
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Perhaps not but I am the high bidder as of now , this gun is worth twice the price ,


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16gaugeguy
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If you think so, and you are buying it, then that is all that matters. I never tell folks what they should spend. I just state what I would spend--or not spend.
However, I won't be bidding on it against you at this point. Wink
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Ted Schefelbein
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It's easy to say there are better deals than this out there, but, it is tough to find a servicable, two barreled, two trigger gun in 16 ga. for less than the last bid on this one. Maybe it's just the area where I live, but most of the model 90s or clones I see are far, far more beat up than this one, too.

That's reality. Yes, I used to see guns like this at $250 at the shows and mom and pop dealers. No, I don't anymore. The internet has also quietly made every dealer a national dealer.

Show me one like it at $250. Sears, Monkey wards, Marlin, or whatever. I'll buy it.
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Charles Hammack
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Thats what I say Ted I will take a truckload in 16ga for 250.00 each , now I will not go over 3 bills on a 12 or a 20 but the 16 is different.


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16gaugeguy
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Well, Ok. I can accept that I'm a bit behind the times on this particular gun pricewise. The last Marlin 90 I ever traded for was over a decade ago. It was a well used 20 ga. I took in trade on a clean used 1100 LT-20. I allowed the buyer $100 and sold it a hour later for $150 to the guy at the table next to me. He was happy. I was happy. The guy who bought the LT-20 was happy. Everyone was happy.

However, I still ain't bidding on it. Laughing
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Larry Brown
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You can't get much more utilitarian than a Marlin 90. You don't see many of them in 16ga on the used market, whether they say Marlin or whether they say Ranger. The Winchester name has definite "brand value"; Marlin, especially on less expensive guns, does not. Hunter Arms (and Stevens) made Ranger sxs for Sears. I'd pay as much for a Ranger as I would a Hunter Fulton or a Stevens in the same condition. If someone offered me a better price because they didn't know it was actually a Hunter Fulton or a Stevens, of course I'd be happy to take the discount.

10 years is a long time, when it comes to used guns. Lots of nice Fox Sterlingworth 16's out there for less than $1,000 back then. Not now.
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I suppose it could be true that some manufacturers cheapen up their "stencils" when branding under another name, or that the seller could have them built to their spec which could be a step down, but I've never personally seen it in guns. The Ranger, Western Field, etc. guns that I've seen have been identical to the ones sold under the real brand name. Like Larry says: if that make them cheaper I'll take the discount, but I sure wouldn't be afraid to buy one because it said Ranger. In fact, I have Very Happy !

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I have my grandpa's gun. It's a Sears Ranger pump. Made by Stevens. I completely refinished it. Blueing and wood. Under the factory finish on the wood is two of the nicest pieces of walnut that I have seen on any gun. It was made befor the second world war. I wouldn't sell it for a thousand dollars.

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Actually the idea for the Model 90 was presented TO Marlin BY Sears in 1936. Initially the gun was to be, as others have said, the Ranger but Marlin liked the thing so much it began to manufacture it as Marlin. There were legal battles as to whom the patent belonged to with Mariln finally gaining rights.
I'm pretty sure I have the designer's name in my notes but the same information is available in Brophy's book. I've owned a number of these guns and seen dozens, all had walnut furniture and if workmanship was substandard on Ranger or J.C.Higgins I have been unable to discern the difference.(No, I haven't seen them all).
No question that the gun is a pedestrian piece but it is a servicable, sound, uncomplicated scattergun that has a following very similar to those idiosyncratic guys who, for some reason, seem to be unreasonably attached to, of all things, the 16 gauge Wink .
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