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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:57 pm
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Some folks (Hun, Brit) have been making fun of my German guns. Below, is a Franz Jaeger "Herold" gun. Note the opposed locking lugs.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/prussiangunguy/FranzJaegerHerold16Ga-2.jpg
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:58 pm
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:04 pm
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And only Petey, the Setter is allowed to lay his paws on my Daly's! This one a 5 lb. 8 oz. 16-4 bore, Empire Grade
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:15 pm
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| That's a good example of German craftsmanship. I don't think I've ever seen a sub-quality, German double..I do think, many times the German makers tend to use a bit of overkill, when it comes to bolting.. Who made the Daly?... MDC |
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:23 pm
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| M D Christian wrote: |
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That's a good example of German craftsmanship. I don't think I've ever seen a sub-quality, German double..I do think, many times the German makers tend to use a bit of overkill, when it comes to bolting.. Who made the Daly?... MDC
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Yeah, the germans built a gun that locked up tighter than a virgin on prom night.
That's a Harold Linder gun. 1 of 4. I'm looking for a 16 ga. 28" featherweight 185 grade or better. Or a Grade 18 Sauer.
Thanks for looking,
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:08 pm
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:02 pm
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Nice is an understatement! Downright beautiful would be more like it!
Thanks for sharing PGG!
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:59 pm
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....ok, ok, I'll fess up, they're nicer than anything I own.... uncle, ok? UNCLE!! 
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:04 am
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| M D Christian wrote: |
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That's a good example of German craftsmanship. I don't think I've ever seen a sub-quality, German double..I do think, many times the German makers tend to use a bit of overkill, when it comes to bolting.. Who made the Daly?... MDC
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I agree that many german guns are among the best crafted, most closely fitted guns. They are also among the longest lasting too. One of those reasons is the use of extra locking mechanisms both below and above the line of force or thrust of the shell head on the breech face.
This arrangement helps mitigate the damage done by the downwardly directed leverage or "hinging" of the barrels when the gun is fired. This force is present in all double guns with a bottom located hinge bolt.
In short, guns that have precise fitted top and bottom lugs as seen on many high quality German guns tend to stay on face in spite of heavy use. For most normal service, these guns will last most folks two lifetimes with a bit of cleaning and proper lubrication. To me, this is very desirable. i weant my guns to last.
Frankly, I wish all double gun makers adapted the German's lead in this respect of durable design and extra strength. Those reputable German makers do produce some of the very best double guns in the world, mainly this reason IMO. |
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:09 am
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Prussian Guy,
Awesome guns-you need to go to a few of the German Weapon's Museums. Some of the craftsmanship from the 1870's til WWII is astounding.
What amazes me is the value in German guns. I bought a gun exactly like the pic below, used for less than $1000, in as new condition. I really think that German guns are not as highly regarded as the modern production guns- like Browning, Berretta, etc.
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:06 pm
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| Jon, I think we all know that finding a sweet deal like you seem to find with fair regularity, are getting harder to find by day if not the hour. I've been looking for guns like this one in as obviously as good a condition for some time for low money. It is not that easy to do unless you have the time to constantly be hunting them. There are now just too many folks like you snapping them up whenever they appear for sale. The folks who put them on the internet alraedy have 99% of them priced at top buck. the sweetheart deals last all of 3 seconds now. |
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:22 pm
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I only have one serious complaint with German guns.....Actually a multi-faceted complaint:
I don't own enough of them in enough variations, styles, and guages!
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:25 pm
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| JonP wrote: |
Prussian Guy,
Awesome guns-you need to go to a few of the German Weapon's Museums. Some of the craftsmanship from the 1870's til WWII is astounding.
What amazes me is the value in German guns. I bought a gun exactly like the pic below, used for less than $1000, in as new condition. I really think that German guns are not as highly regarded as the modern production guns- like Browning, Berretta, etc.
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Now that is pretty. Who made her? What does she weigh? |
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:26 pm
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I only have one serious complaint with German guns.....Actually a multi-faceted complaint:
I don't own enough of them in enough variations, styles, and guages!
Rooster
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:58 pm
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pretttttttttttttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyy,
Would love to know more about the German guns, only know about merkels, And we have a F.W. Kessler hammer gun that is awsome.
The problem for me is that sometimes because of the lack of info/knowlege about some of the older manufacturers I have let by a purchase , fearing a low quality piece. But these two...............woooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww |
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