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Member Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 19 Location: Oklahoma

I just heard that the Browning BPS is being offered in 16 gauge. Has anyone seen or shot one? Any info would be appreciated!

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Member Joined: 06 Nov 2006 Posts: 128 Location: NE

They were introduced at the SHOT Show as a special/limited run and orders were taken for a short time, they will be distributed this fall. Mostly just people in the business that have seen them, I don't think anybody outside of Browning has shot one.
A few of the guys here did get guns put on order, I don't think Browning is taking any more orders - unless they don't have the run sold out. I think about the only way to get one now is to find a dealer that has them on order (or who has a distributer that will be getting some). Otherwise it is wait til this fall and then try to find somebody that actually has one for sale.

berg

http://www.reedssports.com/Product.taf?_function=detail&_ID=10631. Here's a link. They still have some you can order.

I just saw one this weekend at the NRA convention in St Louis. Very nice gun. Very smooth but it felt a little long in the stock. I think it's listed at 14.5" length of pull. No big deal, it can be shortened if needed. Of course, it felt like it weighs close to 7 pounds but it is well ballanced. It wouldn't matter to me because I don't walk 10 miles with a gun any longer. It will be used primarily for target shooting and there, a little weight does help. I think I'll get one.One nice thing about a Browning, all the choke tubes I have for my Citori will fit the BPS as well.
Where to get one? I think you can find one easily enough. I noticed that www.gzanders.com lists them in their catalog. I'm sure when they come in, you could order one from them. Just watch the website for their arrival.

Ben and I also was at the N.R.A. Show on Sat. I never went anywhere else except the Marlin Collectors Association display and to the Marlin booth which I will post on later the comments and reactions we received, But Ben wandered around a wee bit , he made it to the Browning booth and looked at the BPS as well.

Ben gave me an update on the way home concerning the BPS his take is the same I got from visiting with Jess Hamblin at Browning earlier this month .

The gun although it is on a 20ga frame is still 7 1/8 Lbs in weigth and is STILL NOT AN UPLAND GAME GUN . this falls with in the 6 1/4-6 3/4 lbs range for an upland game gun . The concensus amoungst the Manufactures is

THIS IS 90 % 12GA WITH A 16GA BBL ON IT NOW BUY IT AND HAVE A NICE DAY . ( now get out of here eskamo and eat your snow cone we just sold you , hahahahah , dumb eskamo buying snow cones, we just proved you can sell anything)

this is Bens take on the situation but you know what I take offence to buying snow cones myself .

Regards Charles

Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 787 Location: Indiana

Well, maybe "Ben" can come up with another source of new 16 ga. pumps with interchangeable choke tubes for under $500 from a familiar, reputable maker who more or less stands behind their product....if so, we're all listening......the "weight" and "upland gun" thing is overrated in my opinion anyway...for years, many folks have shot game with any shotgun they had, and enjoyed the hunt despite their less than perfect choice of firearms...I guess they were just too unsophisticated to know the gun had to weigh a certain weight.....don't guess the duck, rooster, grouse or whatever in the game pouch at day's end could tell the difference though.

Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 181 Location: Great White North

I second your motion Wolfchief!

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 376 Location: North ID.

now get out of here eskamo and eat your snow cone we just sold you , hahahahah , dumb eskamo buying snow cones, we just proved you can sell anything)

I'm with Wolfchief also, and by the way, I knew many Eskimos and didn't consider any of them dumb in the context that the word is used.

That's how they probably feel about us living in their world-dumb gusik!

I'm with you also wolfchief. Ah hell it's not worth it. I stopped watching this forum, except for some PM's I got. I still don't understand how some people think they know what everybody likes and should have. I don't know if Mr Hammock was out of line, but he's definately a person I don't care to know.

Member Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 602 Location: western pa

Easy guys, don't get your shorts twisted over one guys opinion. We all know that the market isn't exactly stacked in the 16's favor and we have to take what we can get. Quality wise,for their prices, Browning is tuff to beat in any catagory. I'm not tooting Brownings horn ( I only own 1) just calling it like I see it.

Many of us can become opinionated regarding our guns. Regarding the 16, probably even more so. Objectively, the new bps looks to be a great all around utility gun to digest any 16 load. With the straight upland stock, it probably weighs right at 7 lbs, and with a longer barrel, will probably be a very smooth shooting shotgun, with little recoil. Do the extra six ounces negate some of the inherent handling advantages of the 16? Perhaps. But if six ounces precludes one from carrying a gun over hill and dale all day, then perhaps that person should be heading to the gym rather than the uplands.

Most folks fail to recognise that nearly all of the steel framed 16 ga pumps with a ribbed barrel heavy enough to take choke tubes all weigh close to 7 pounds including the much vaunted 37 Ithaca made after 1965. I own two and both are just under 7 pounds by about an ounce. However, I can't really feel that much difference in the weight between 6-1/2 pounds and 7 anyway. Plus, all mine swing like well oiled door hinges and shoot like lazers. They work for me.

The shorter barreled "upland" versions of the 16 GA BPS will most likely weight at or just under 7 pounds. So I think they will serve very well. They are still lighter than the average 16 on 12 ga formated guns we are so tired of seeing. These BPS guns are all being built on a slightly modified 20 ga BPS frame, not the 12 gauge frame as Charles H has mistakenly pointed out.

I think Mr Hammock has pre-1960 Marlin O/U guns on the brain and might even have a sno cone or two stuck in his own mug which might be blurring his perceptions. Laughing

Hey Charles, I hope you did not get any of that sno cone syrup on Marlin's gun display. Cool

Member Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 425 Location: Maine

99% of the rounds put through my guns are at skeet/SC, and 7# is just about right for factory 1oz. fodder. FWIW, I've got lighter 16's, a model 12, a Citori, and a plain barrel 870, which are fine with light handloads, but my BPS will be my go to target gun.

You folks are 100% correct , The BPS for the money is the only choice in a 16ga . It is perhaps a much stronger and better buit shotgun than the Model 12 which I grew up shooting ( not in 16ga though had all 12ga.) .

Yet it remains before chastising Ben or Myself one should think of the statement as such , The BPS is on a 20ga frame but weights in at a 12ga weight , which is great for the reduction of recoil and is a wonderful weight for the dove field or the rabbit , squirrel hunter but as to the 6 OZ difference ?? Well the guy you see in the picture with the little girl with the gobbler . His name is Chad Stamm an EX Marine, current city postal carrier that walks a 14 mile route everyday .

The last outing we went on a quail hunt in north Missouri on conservation land I had Chad take the Marlin 90 in 16ga told him to leave his gun at home a Winchester 1400 in 12ga , I wanted to see how he would do with the O/U .

Nearing the end of the day Chad made the remark that his hand , wrist and elbow didnt hurt . I ask him what he meant by that ?? had he been having troubles with them I ask ?? Chad told me when he packed his Winchester 1400 hunting that his arm always hurt and with this gun it did not hurt at all . I ask him why he never told me about this before ??? Well you can imagine the answer him being an Ex Marine and all not wanting to be a sissy to put it nicely .

Now this guy is tough as nails he and I climb the mountains in Colorado bowhunting Elk and WHEN A GUN HURTS THIS GUY I KNOW THEIR IS SOMETHNG TO IT .

We all can see the Merit of the statements I have said Now you should think a moment about the Validity before making a comment to Chastise Ben or myself.

You folks take a BPS at over 7 lbs and put on 10-12 miles hunting WILD BIRDS and then carry over the same type of hunt a gun as light as possable that will point and swing smoothly for you around the 6 Lb mark and you then tell me that the statement does not have Validity????

As for the BPS it is sold by a Marketing Company that has a holding company (Browning Arms) that contracts out guns to an overseas manufacture ( Japan) now tell me that Browning couldnot make a true upland gun for us to purchace ??? My friend Jess at Browning would never tell any of you this for it would cost him his job , but he told me Browning didnt give a hoot about the 16 ga market and that it would be in everyones best interest if the dead horse would just stay down , the token was to quite the tribe and that was all.

If you folks want more products to choose from concerning the 16ga . DONT COMPLAIN AND FIGHT AMONGST OURSELFS .

DO SOMETHING . Take your 16ga whatever gun it is and go shoot a registered shoot of any type it doesnt matter if you have a chance of winning or not , every time you show up with a 16ga in your hands we all win.

Go to a fun shoot and shoot your favorite 16ga who cares if you can or not compeat , WHEN YOU DO THIS WE ALL WIN.

SHOW THE 16. SHOOT THE 16 SHARE THE 16

I have shown Hundreds of people the 16ga guns and 15 have now entered the realm and purchaced 16ga's, because we are activly promoting the 16ga not just complaining I dont have any hulls , wads, or guns in 16ga to shoot .

I just got off the phone with the mold maker and he is sending prints to me over the email as I type of the Mold for the wads cant wait to see the prototype prints .

Now you make the discision if what I say has Merit and Validity .

SHOW IT , SHOOT IT , SHARE IT .

Regards Charles