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The BPS thread got me to thinking, since the CZ bobwhite 16b is only $200 more, and seems to be a decent entry level sxs (or the Dehaan SO for that matter) for the price, and the same weight as the bps at roughly 7lbs., why isn't the CZ/Dehaan getting the press that the BPS is? Is it the $200 difference in price, or is it that the CZ is Turkish and the Browning, is, well, a Browning? I would guess the latter is probably the case, but I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

I for one am glad that there a couple of options for the entry level crowd. I will probably get a bps at some point, simply because I already own a 12, and it is a very sturdy, reliable workhorse (but weighs 8+ lbs), and fits me very well.

How much press any gun gets is usually based on how much juice the company has with the gun press and how much the company spreads around for advertising revenues, perks, paid seminars and publicity events. Browning has very deep pockets here.

Also, Shotguns are a main product with Browning. The SxS line is a side show for CZ. They are much bigger in rifles and handguns. However, the two CZ Ringnecks I bought last summer are very well made guns for the money IMO. My two have very well built, nice straight, well regulated barrels that shoot as true as any other gun I own. This is an important point a lot of folks overlook when picking a double gun. They are a 28 and a 410 though. I've never handled the 16 ga version, so I'd be off base to say up or down about handling, balance, weight, and shootability.

As far as a pump vs. a double, they are two different concepts. Each has its strong points and its drawbacks. I own a 16 ga. Ithaca 37, two actually, and either shoots very well for me. I also own 16 ga O/U and SxS guns. I think they both have their time and place.

One thing about a pump gun or any single barreled repeater; its a lot easier to get a straight shooting gun, because it has but one barrel. If that barrel is reasonably straight and the rib is on in line, the gun will shoot where you point it every time. Some folks also feel a single barrel is also a bit more precise to point with for longer targets. I'm one of them. I think that is why more waterfowlers, turkey hunters, and quite a few target shooters pick repeaters. The majority of serious trap shooters have always prefered a single barreled trap gun for singles and handicap targets, so there seems to be some basis for this view. Anyway, use the tool that suits you the best. The is no law against either.

Uncle Dan,

My DeHaan 16ga SO weighs about 6lbs - 3oz and is a terrific shooter. It has double triggers, IC/M barrels, and english stock. I would buy a DeHaan over a CZ because of the terrific service from Mark DeHaan. How many companies can you call and the owner is likely to answer?

It is not a pump of course. Buy one of each!

Member Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Western NY

There is no comparison. The Huglu guns can't be beaten for value. I own a 28ga. Armsco/Huglu and have a .410 CZ Ringneck on layaway.
I have handled the CZ Ringneck in 16ga. and it is very nice. Obviously, the Dehaan gun is mechanically the same.

I don't currently own a .410 and that's the reason for this acquisition. I won't run out of 16ga. guns in this lifetime.

Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 185 Location: Boulder,Colorado

Ralph, are you SURE on the weight of that DeHaan ? I'll be ordering one tomorrow if you're right, as I thought they weighed over 7 lbs. ! How did you get such a light one. I have two other DeHaan in 28 ga, and 16 ga 0/U. I like them both, but I need a SxS in 16 ga. also.

Member Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 398 Location: S Fl

Thunderstick,

Sorry about the late reply. Thats what she weighs. I was very surprised when I got it as I was expecting a 7+ lb gun. I have talked to several others who have the 16ga SO and all of theirs is 7+. It must be the wood on this particular piece or something that makes the difference.

Heck, maybe the thing is carved from Balsa Wood, It has about the same amount of figure! Very Happy

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