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Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 42 Location: TX

If I didn't have too many light weight game guns as it is I'd be all over this like stink on manure.

I don't believe I have ever seen a Hinton with 100% engraving. The barrels will decide if it's a good buy or not.

Pooch has a Hinton, maybe he'll offer his opinion.

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72577134

Member Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 123 Location: Oregon

The same gun can be had here http://www.gunsamerica.com:80/guns/976886719.htm?wl=1 for 2995.00.

Buyer beware. Seller could sell ice cubes to an Eskimo and isn't above fudging on stock measurements to make it appear more shooter friendly.

Larry

Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 42 Location: TX

I think it's understood that due-diligence it a matter of course. Have you been on the wrong side of a sale with this guy? FWIW, I have absolutely no idea who he is.

Member Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 123 Location: Oregon

Yes I've dealt with him in the past. Bought my first old SxS from him after he spent an hour on the phone trying to convince me how accurately he portrays his guns. When the stock dimensions were way off what he quoted me he tried to tell me he must have had it mixed up with another gun. I put some mole skin on the comb to see how that would work and when I tried to take it off the old finish came off with it. All he could do is laugh at his good fortune cause I had told him it was coming back.

Other people over the years have told me he has not disclosed things like barrel re blues and other refinishing things. He doesn't say they are all original but he doesn't offer either which is exactly the opposite he told me about total disclosure.

Anyway he does come up with some good guns now and then. Just be sure to be as specific as possible when asking questions so he has no excuses.

Larry

Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 743

Nice looking gun; good buy IF you get the right answers to your questions.

I owned a Hinton SLE 12ga. Pretty nice gun. Hinton and Needham patented one of the first practical ejector systems.

Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 42 Location: TX

IFL16ga,

It is getting real hard to find gun dealers you can completely trust these days. That's the only reason I own bore gauges and micrometers.

Larry,

Speaking of patents, is there a hard-back available with all the English and or American gun patents with illustrations? Could you tell the action patent by pin placements? I picked up a paper back proof book but it's basically useless, which is your favorite?

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Southern Ohio

I think it will be a good buy if it goes for about $2,400. MDC

Member Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 446 Location: Wisconsin

I have NEVER found a gun dealer I could completely trust. Some are more trustworthy than others but that is the nature of the trade. Some are knowingly deceitful but many view the gun as a commodity, get it in the shop, get it out of the shop and they just don't bother to check the gun completely.
As mentioned, if you don't have a COMPLETE set of tools for measuring choke, chamber length etc, you are at the mercy of the trade.
I never do business with any type of gun auction. It's just not worth the time, effort and aggravation to wade through the junk being sold.
A reputable dealer with an iron clad 3-day inspection/return policy is the only way. -Dick

Member Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 123 Location: Oregon

Dick, Brian Perazone in New York is a gunsmith who I would trust buying a gun from again. He's got a complete set of tools and will tell you anything you want to know about a gun he is selling.

But this Jay Shachter guy is just a salesman (read that is not hindered or limited to objective facts) who holds one of those curios licenses. For someone with no FFL and not in the business he manages to sell a lot of guns.

When I ran into him I had just gotten into looking at old guns and didn't know a thing. The gun he sold me was a 16 gauge Ithaca Flues which he told me could shoot any factory load. Fortunately I found the Double Gun Bulletin Board and was put straight before I could abuse it any further. I even sent him a link to the discussion and he still insisted it was perfectly safe to shoot anything being offered.

The problem is he does come up with some interesting guns for sale. He takes Visa but that goes through his remodeling company. A lot of gray areas with this guy.

Larry

Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 743

....I had a couple Hintons at the shop, they were nice stout guns (Birmingham actions) and seemed well finished out by Hinton, as good as anybody else did it....

brit

Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Southern Ohio

Britgun: I didn't think he would realize his "Buy Now" price, but I thought bids would go a little higher than they did.. What do you think is a fair price for the piece,, MDC