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| < 16ga. Guns ~ Question for Ithaca experts...... |
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:54 pm
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| Is a "3E" just a grade of NID, or is it a different model? |
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:41 pm
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| Ithaca made the Grade 3E in the NID model (Serial numbers over 400,000) and the Flues Model (Serial numbers 175,000 to 398,365) It's possible the Minier also used that grading system.. A 3E NID will be an ejector gun with considerable engraving, Fancy walnut with Fluer De Lis checkering.. MDC |
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Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:23 pm
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| Thank you very much. What year corresponds with the NID 400,000 serial number range? |
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:45 am
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| Actually it was 425,000 in 1925 to 470,099 in 1948... If you have a number , it can be dated.. MDC |
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Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:27 pm
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I have another quick Ithaca question, now that the experts are responding.
I have a 20g Flues made in 1924 with 2 3/4" chambers. The gun is heavy for a Flues,6 lbs 12oz, 28" barrels. According to Mr. Snyder's book Ithaca didn't start making the 2 3/4" 20g guns until 1926,even though they did in other gauges. Everything else on the gun seems correct.Could the chambers be factory orginal ?
Thanks Dave |
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:25 am
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| That's extremely heavy for a 20 bore Flues, A lot of 12 bore Flues don't weigh that much. I would guess, at that weight, it's very likely a special order, factory 2 3/4" chamber.. MDC |
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:04 pm
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I think the later Flues guns had more weight to 'em because of the action cracking issues of the past. That may have been Ithaca's solution until they rolled out the NID in 1926. My 16 gauge weighs nearly as much as your 20 gauge. I'll check the numbers when I get home tonight.
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Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:22 pm
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| Mike: Is there any documented evidence that Ithaca was aware of the Frame weakness before 1926.. I was under the assumption that the cracking frame issue was discovered long after the Flues design was shelved.. MDC |
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:10 am
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Dunno. I think Walt Snyder stated that the NID was in response to Flues frames that were cracking, Didn't Winchester's Super-X shells come out in 1921? They were the ones that bumped up the chamber pressure I thought. Since the Win M12's could handle the additional pressure wasn't that the incentive to buy Winchester guns? Kind of a different philosophy than in today's litigious society, now isn't it?  If my shells break your gun, buy one of my guns, they're better...... 
Mike Doerner |
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