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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Paper Loads |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:58 am
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I just love the looks of roll crimped paper loads.
But, it's a slow process for high volume shooting.
With spring around the corner, and several SxS Shoots in the wind. I decided to fold crimp some loads, for faster loading.
These are 1 oz. loads, 1200 FPS @ 7500 PSI, as tested by Tom A.
How do they look to you?
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:03 am
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They look great! Is that load in the LPG data? What type of press are you using?
Matt |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:13 am
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CitoriFeather16 wrote: |
They look great! Is that load in the LPG data? What type of press are you using?
Matt
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Matt,
They are loaded on the MEC Grabber
Tom usually forwards my test results to the LPG, but I don't know if they are posted. I paid for the test myself, so I guess I can post the data here.
New Cheddite Paper hull 2-3/4"
Win. 209 primer
22 grains SR-7625
SG-16 wad
1 oz. lead shoot
6 fold crimp
When I had these loads tested, I punched out the original Cheddite primer, and replaced it with the Win. primer.
WARNING: Do not use the Chedditte primer, if you want low pressure!
I just found where I had this same load tested using the Cheddite primer, only with 21 grains. It comes out to 1285 FPS @ 9800 PSI
Regards, Dave Miles
One other thing. I found the only way to get a good crimp, is to use the brass crimp starter. I tried the plastic spindex, in both 6 and 8 point, with marginal success. |
Last edited by Dave Miles on Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:11 pm; edited 3 times in total _________________ What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:41 am
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Thanks Dave. That's a load I will have to try!
Matt |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:25 am
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Good looking load Dave. Now can you make that in an 8 point crimp?
Do these current Cheddite paper hulls have the same aroma when fired as the old Remington and Winchester paper hulls? |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:33 am
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Twice Barrel wrote: |
Good looking load Dave. Now can you make that in an 8 point crimp?
Do these current Cheddite paper hulls have the same aroma when fired as the old Remington and Winchester paper hulls?
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I think 8 point crimp would work, if I had a brass crimp starter in 8 point.
Not exactly the same, if I used Unique pwder they might.
They do have the burned paper smell, and they look cool. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:42 am
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Did you use the brass starter on the loads pictured? My crimps look real bad when I start them with the plastic crimp starter and a virgin hull.
Mike Doerner |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:50 am
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mdoerner wrote: |
Did you use the brass starter on the loads pictured? My crimps look real bad when I start them with the plastic crimp starter and a virgin hull.
Mike Doerner
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Mike,
One other thing. I found the only way to get a good crimp, is to use the brass crimp starter. I tried the plastic spindex, in both 6 and 8 point, with marginal success. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:38 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that a rolled crimp had a cardboard or some other type of overshot card and you had to use a special tool to roll the edge of the paper hull over the card.
They are excellent looking crimps. Nice job. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:00 pm
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Art Sorrentino wrote: |
Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that a rolled crimp had a cardboard or some other type of overshot card and you had to use a special tool to roll the edge of the paper hull over the card.
They are excellent looking crimps. Nice job.
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Art,
That is exactly correct, that's why it's a slow process.
Each shell has to be removed from the press after the shoot is placed.
You then install the overshot card by hand, and then roll crimp the load in a drill press. I can triple my output by fold crimping the hulls on a progressive press. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:19 pm
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Dave, great looking shells, and a great looking crimp.
I'm puzzled about the Cheddite primer. A while back someone asked about primer substitution, and Russ I believe stated that Cheddite 209 and Winchester 209 were compatable with everything being equal.
So stated, the difference between the two primers in your load is 2300 psi with everything else being equal. To me that is not compatable, and yet dropping 1/2 gr. =21.5 grs. powder using the Cheddite primer it dropped to 7500 psi. Sometihing doesn't sound right. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:08 pm
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Those shells look great.
How does the SR-7625 compare to Longshot??
It's kinda fun seeing the looks on people when I "snort" my paper shells after firing. It is a lot like sniffing my cedar arrows after I break one. Just some of life's little pleasures. I also like the smell of blackpowder after the flinter lights one off. What's up with all that??
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:22 pm
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David wrote: |
Dave, great looking shells, and a great looking crimp.
I'm puzzled about the Cheddite primer. A while back someone asked about primer substitution, and Russ I believe stated that Cheddite 209 and Winchester 209 were compatable with everything being equal.
So stated, the difference between the two primers in your load is 2300 psi with everything else being equal. To me that is not compatable, and yet dropping 1/2 gr. =21.5 grs. powder using the Cheddite primer it dropped to 7500 psi. Sometihing doesn't sound right.
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The load being 7500 PSI is 22 grains of SR-7625 with the Win. 209 primer.
The load being 9800 PSI is 21 grains of SR-7625 with the Cheddite primer.
I'm assuming they are Cheddite primers, they are the primers that come in the Cheddite paper hulls.
I can fax anyone that wants a copy of the test sheet.
When I send loads for testing, everything is measured on a digital scale. |
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Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:23 pm
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I just spent the last couple hours going over 100's of loads from the LPG.
Whenever you find two identical loads, except the primers are different.
Sometimes the Cheddite primer load will be 1000 to 2000 PSI higher, the next time it may be 500 PSI lower.
I think every load should be looked at and tested for what it is.
And not assume anything when it comes to substituting components.
Especially if your concerned with loading low pressure loads. |
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Posted:
Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:26 pm
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Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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Location: western PA
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dave, those crimps look great. That is a similar load that I use 21 grains sr 7625 and 7/8 oz shot sg16 wad and a pollwad spreader withthe win 209 primer. I use it in the chedidite paper and the bpi mullti hulls. works great on the skeet field. and for grouse.
Ben
Do you use it in your damascus barreled guns? I have been wondering if 7500 psi was a safe pressure for a damascus barrel on an 0 frame parker? or if one needed to go lower. |
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