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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ 16 gauge Remington Game Loads |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:54 pm
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Another reason I stick to purple Federal hulls. They are very durable and versatile. |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:55 pm
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:42 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:01 pm
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I love the purple hulls, they contain my favorite 1 1/8 oz. #6 pheasant load. |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:13 pm
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spr310 wrote: |
16gaugeguy wrote: |
Did you chronograph the loads to see if there was any difference? The pattern can be a good one and not have enough velocity to hit hard enough. In fact, lower velocities and lower pressures will improve patterns on paper. How effective that pattern is can only be determined by seeing how well it breaks targets or kills game.
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I use my big sawblade from a mill as my pattern board. I can tell from the ring it gives out as the shot hits it if it's a dud or not. Got a very good and loud ring both times. I especially like to pattern just at dusk. A nice little fire coming out of the barrell and then that loud ring. Keeps the local game warden on his toes.
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Hummm, what's the season on saw blades? bag limits? Sounds like a lotta fun, assuming they are not too close |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:30 pm
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Yes!
But they're purple!
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Oh no, not that again! |
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:27 pm
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"Hummm, what's the season on saw blades? bag limits? Sounds like a lotta fun, assuming they are not too close "
I have a 12 ft by 40 yd opening into the woods. The blade is hung at a slight angle and loose. I ussually pattern at 30 and 40 yards. I just use cheap black spray cans of paint on hand and spray it every time. I've got some 3/4oz loads rated at over 1400fps. They make it really ring. Five shot is louder then 6, so on down. Number 3 steel really sets it off. It makes it more interesting then shooting at paper. OH, I almost forgot, the season on saw blades in Minnesota is all year long. You'd have to look in your states regulations to find the season on saw blades. |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:45 am
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dogchaser37 wrote: |
I love the purple hulls.
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I like the color although the blue ones (Fiocchi GP) contains my favorite load. |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:53 am
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[quote="spr310"]"Hummm, what's the season on saw blades? bag limits? Sounds like a lotta fun, assuming they are not too close "
.........OH, I almost forgot, the season on saw blades in Minnesota is all year long. You'd have to look in your states regulations to find the season on saw blades.[/quote]
What recipes are you guys using for those blades? Isn't the meat a little tough. Maybe marinade in the fridge for a bit? |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:36 am
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spr310 wrote: |
"Hummm, what's the season on saw blades? bag limits? Sounds like a lotta fun, assuming they are not too close "
I have a 12 ft by 40 yd opening into the woods. The blade is hung at a slight angle and loose. I ussually pattern at 30 and 40 yards. I just use cheap black spray cans of paint on hand and spray it every time. I've got some 3/4oz loads rated at over 1400fps. They make it really ring. Five shot is louder then 6, so on down. Number 3 steel really sets it off. It makes it more interesting then shooting at paper. OH, I almost forgot, the season on saw blades in Minnesota is all year long. You'd have to look in your states regulations to find the season on saw blades.
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I gotta say it. This method sounds dingy to me.
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TB, Remington went to this latest style thinner walled plastic hull nearly two decades ago when they went over to the 209 sized primer. The skiving needed to accomodate seating the R16 and SP16 wad in the straight walled hull reduces the mouths a bit too much. They burn through and wear much faster than the thicker walled old style hulls that used a 57* primer.
This has always been a problem to some degree with the new style hull. I do not think it's the powder. I use Unique and 800X which ares probably slower burning than the non-canister powder Remington uses. The hull mouths of my reloads burn through in spite of this. I've also not always seen evidence of burning in older new style once fired hulls. Most of my older once fired new style hulls show little to none.
The hull mouths of the newest production runs of the 16 ga GL hulls burn out even faster than those from 5 years ago and they have been splitting as well. So based on this, I think the plastic Remington has been using recently is not suitable for their present hull design.
Federal hulls have thicker walls and less skiving as well. They do not split or burn out like the Remingtons. However, the plastic tubing used to make the Federal hull has been known to widely vary in relative stiffness in the past. The plastic walls of some Federal hulls I've reloaded are too soft and not rigid enough to take a sharply folded crimp. I've had some open later on regardless of how carefully I've crimped them. I've also had some of these too soft hulls refuse to crimp. They will collapse rather than crimp properly, regardless of how carefully I've set the press up or how carefully I manipulate the press lever..
Now that Federal is owned by Alliant, we might see more uniformity between production runs and things will improve here. I've been very happy with some of the Federal hulls I've reloaded. So not all have had this softness problem. It has been a hit and miss problem. |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:31 am
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16gaugeguy"I gotta say it. This method sounds dingy to me. "
Your humor is improving. |
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:04 pm
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[quote="16gaugeguy.
TB, Remington went to this latest style thinner walled plastic hull nearly two decades ago when they went over to the 209 sized primer. The skiving needed to accomodate seating the R16 and SP16 wad in the straight walled hull reduces the mouths a bit too much. They burn through and wear much faster than the thicker walled old style hulls that used a 57* primer.
This has always been a problem to some degree with the new style hull. I do not think it's the powder. I use Unique and 800X which ares probably slower burning than the non-canister powder Remington uses. The hull mouths of my reloads burn through in spite of this. I've also not always seen evidence of burning in older new style once fired hulls. Most of my older once fired new style hulls show little to none.
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16 gg I can't comment on the Remington hulls of 20 years ago because I was using Winchester compression formed hulls for all my application, however, since 1999 when the Winchester compression formed hulls started to dry up and I had to start using RGLs and SP hulls for volume shooting I have noted a steady deterioration of hull performance but I am still getting up to 12 reloads per hull using a light load of Unique and 7/8th ounce of shot with only slight scorching of the hull mouth toward the end of the hulls useful life. |
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Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:39 pm
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Location: Indiana
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Some reloaders gripe about the durability of the black Remington Game Load hull but I have usually had good luck with that hull; I use a mild recipe and typically can get several loadings from them.
My son, who works in Bloomington, IN called tonight to tell me he just bought a flat of the RGL loads in #6 size shot for me, from the Dick's store down there for $49.99; he bought the last flat, and the last of ANY 16 ga. shells they had. I'm sure not complaining at that price for factory new 16 ga. loads; if you look online at Midway USA, Natchez Shooter's Supply, Graf's and others you sure won't find them for anywhere close to that price. It's scary where this ammunition situation is going..... |
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:06 pm
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Looked at , but didn't buy some RGL's for $12.97 per box, flat price was straight across 10 x.
I suppose it is going to get worse soon.
rayb |
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Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:33 pm
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:56 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:03 pm
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004
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Unfortunately, we cannot get our local Wal-Mart to stock 16 gauge shells, though they used to stock the Federal red/blue box "heavy game loads" for about $4.69/box. No more---but, I visited a Rural King farm supply store in Niles, Michigan this afternoon and they had several boxes of the 1-ounce 16 ga. Rem. Game Loads in #8 shot for $6.99 per box. I couldn't get a case discount but did buy all the #8's they had. I'm just afraid to wait; the next lot they get in will cost more, I fear...and I've got to have the hulls.
These loads have worked great on skeet in my Citori Lightning and in my Auto-5. They should be good dove loads as well. |
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