16ga.com ~ View topic - Load testing, Liability, and the Low Pressure Group

Well in this politcally correct world of liberalizm and no personal responsibility I think this thread will cause alot more people to quit sharing their info. I also believe that this will really hurt the flow of limited info especially for the 16 gauge what a shame.

Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 224

Folks the ABILITY TO SEE THROUGH TO THE ESSENCE OF HOW THINGS ARE AND NOT HOW THEY APPEAR , is a gift that we have taken for granted this day and age .

The sharing of loads that we have used and HAVE BEEN TESTED are simply a recommendation of our favorite target or hunting loads that we have found useful to us as shooters and Hunters.

Being as these are ONLY recommendations , this data falls under a HOLD HARMLESS Clause and no more than sharing your favorite apple pie recipe with other folks .

I can post the load data sheet for you folks to look at for the loads that I have had tested , I just cannot place this in print stating that it is perfectly safe , just that I had the load tested by Precision Reloaders or Tom Armburst and this is the data sheet that I received back from them , and in no way do I condone the use , other than the sharing of TESTED INFORMATION .

How many gun articals do you see the NRA or other publications , where the author has run a test and shared the loads and data used in working up that artical ???

Now that we have all played attorney and failed lets get back to the 16ga.

Regards Charles

I'm with you Charles. I would rather have some fun than worry myself to death.
Ron

Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 224

Charles, were where you a whole bunch of posts ago? Thi could have been a much shorter thread. Very Happy

You gave the answer I was wondering about. Thank you.

I think the hold harmless clause applys to non-professional individuals sharing their personal data. Once an individual starts charging a fee, the hold harmless clause may not apply everywhere or equally from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Our civil courts are often used for political reasons as well. There are a lot of trial balloon cases brought to test the waters by state officials with plenty of public funds to expend on the suits. The Mass Attorney General was exploring this way a few years back. He caused a lot of grief for Ma resident reloaders until we figured out ways around his horse manure. He is gone now, and the new administration has bigger fish to fry.

However, I'm not worried about it as a non-professional. I would recommend we regular folks here not get overly concerned. We have a right to share knowledge without interfereance under the freedom of speech amendment.

Hello Bowbuilder :

I can only assist and offer suggestions , I cannot change anyones mind or make a decision for anyone .

Therefor I chose to wait and see what the motive was behind the postings , reading between the lines is what Ole Ben and I do best .

I would have to say you done very well with your post .

By the way do you build bow's ???

Regards Charles

Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 224

Charles,

The name came from an experimental compound bow I was building at the time. After a $500 investment in getting some cams made, and some rough machine work...I managed to find out why bows are not built the way I was thinking Smile

Oh well, live and learn. It was fun trying.

Wait and see is always a wise course of action in legal matters--especially if it involves a political hot button issue. Better to let the sharks and the crocs feed on the less wary. Getting some legal insurance can help as well. Then you can consult a lawyer and get a fairly straight answer. He would then rather avoid touble than take it head on.

It has been brought to my attention that clarity is in order here .

For you folks that are starting out , the VERY FIRST THING YOU DO IS GET A LOADING MANUAL .

Then in the front of the manual somewhere is the small print section , it gives you the FIRST COMMANDMENT OF RELOADING , data furnished here is tested and only to be used as a guide , approach all loads with a 10% reduction in charge weight and work up from there .

Other things are in the small print as well , it would do everyone to look at the disclaimers that the Manufactures place in their loading manuals .

Regards Charles

Regards Charles

Member Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 2350 Location: West MI

All good stuff here. I think this thread highlights the importance of following published recipes and doing it right. But also brings to light dangers in this hobby because of the litigious society we have become. And to ignore that fact IMO is foolish. Not saying to live in terror because of it, but to be truly be aware of it. If this thread brings some information to light that a reloader hasn't considered while participating in or taking up this hobby it's done it's job.

I'm thankfull for this board where I can exchange ideas and concerns and have the members of the forum freely exchange information for the benefit of the forum. Without being personally lambasted for having a simple concern or curiosity.

I cannot afford the time or money of being pulled into either justifiable or frivolous law suits that blossom in this social climate but the threat is there. Maybe thats the check and balance. I'll still reload because for me the benefits outwieght the dangers. But I know several learned people who do not participate in this hobby because of the information we are tossing around.

I do know this; if I was laying in a bed unable to do much because of a chunk of someones barrel stuck in the back of my brain. My wife would stop at nothing (legaly) in seeking repairations for someone elses unfortunate moment.

All good stuff, thank you gentlemen, Mike

Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 224

shootingsioux, Sir, I think you have confused me with someone who is looking to sue someone? And no, I am not afraid of reloading. I simply had a question and asked. I thought that is what this forum was for.

Am I fearful? You bet. When people will put a chopped off finger in a bowl of chili just to make a lawsuit...Yes, I watch my back. To ignore the fact that some people will sue you for the slightest reason would be careless.

However, my question has been answered. Thank you Charles. Let's get back to the 16 and reloading.