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Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 118 Location: N.Y.

That might be for the best, Charlie..

It sounds like they're dangerous! On second thought, I'll just take my chances and shoot 'em up... This face never was much to look at anyway.. Very Happy

Keep in mind any warning from a firearms or component manufacturer should be preceded by .....

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

LAWYER TALK FOLLOWS. ALL YOU WHO DISREGARD THIS WARNING HAVE NOW ASSUMED YOUR OWN LIABILITY.

WARNING ENDS.

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This is a simple one really. Federal paper based hulls are an excellent hull to reload if you follow the well known safety guidelines for the hull type. Keep them absolutely bone dry and load them no more than one or two times depending on the load. I've used them and I like them--for one and possibly two reloadings.

Could they concievably last more than 2 reloadings? Probably. Could any of them fail after one or two reloadings? It is a distinct possibility. There are a number of by now well know reasons why. Rehashing those reasons at this point will do nobody any good. It is just simpler and safer to heed the warning.

Simple. I like simple. In this case, simple is safe. Ben Amonette of Alliant has told me so. He is a munitions professional who works for the parent company. I believe he knows about this matter better than myself or anyone else who posts on this site.

Now, are we there yet? Maybe. Rolling Eyes

"GOOD GRIEF!!!" from Charlie Brown in Peanuts. Very Happy

Member Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1338

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Member Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1338

Thanks for an honest and civil reply Mike. I appreciate it. I've had several new shells of differnt makes split or have a split rim. I once had a new Remington .410 blow the entire front part out the bore like a long slug. I think this is referred to as a whistler. In every case, there was no ejecta remaining in the bore.

One the other hand, I've witnessed the results of a bore obstruction resulting from firing a reloaded 12 ga Federal All Sport hull. The hull used in these promotional loads is identical to the present Federal 16 ga hull in all respects except for size. The ruined gun was a K-80. The load in question broke the target and a couple of folks on the line said the wad came out as well. So we were left to assume something else was lodged in the bore. The shooter was an older guy known to be a total miser and would reload any hull he used until it was falling to pieces. I was also very careful to never shoot next to this guy on any line of trap. I avoided him like a dose of the clap in this matter. So did several other of the regulars. Even so, nobody knew for sure how many times the hull had been loaded either. The shooter claimed it was a fairly new hull. I still have my doubts about that.

Luckily for the rest of the line, the only one hurt was the shooter. He lost a very expensive, well made gun, and got his forend hand and arm ripped up a bit. I suppose it could have been much worse. The sad part is it did not have to happen IMO. A bit of prudence most likely would have prevented it. Just my opinion.

Anyway, I think we are there now. I am anyway. If anyone wants to now rip me a new butt hole for posting my opinion, please have the common decency to use the PM. I promise to at least read the first one from anyone. i might flush the rest though. No telling here. Thanks for listening.

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Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 830 Location: Adirondak Mtns

If hull with a paper or any other base wad should only be reloaded 1 or 2 times means you need more Hulls. Good marketing maybe? Be it Federal, BP or who ever I always take a look down the barrel between shots.

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Marketing ploy or not this whole thing with base wad seperation is an old saw carried over from the days when manufacturers all used paper base wads and paper hulls for that matter. Federal has a good product that is durable as any. However, checking down the barrel for obstructions irregardless of what the base wad material is made of is a good habit and would probably saved a few barrels from bursting due to obstructions in the bore such a 20 gauge rounds in the barrels of 12 gauge guns or snow and mud packed into the muzzle.

Member Joined: 02 Oct 2007 Posts: 1975

I emailed Federal trying to get an answer on reloading the hulls with the paper basewad. This is the answer I got.
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Apparently they see no problem reloading their hulls.
It's in JPEG format. You can click on it to see a larger version, also you can save it as a picture if wanted.

Joined: 12 Oct 2008 Posts: 50 Location: New Jersey

I have not experienced paper base separations in the 16 ga. Federal hull yet, but have experienced such in Federal's 20 ga. case. The base never entered the bore, but I noticed the base loose in the case on a couple of occasions during my inspection prior to reloading. Yes, I had reloaded them more than twice already.