Author |
Message |
< 16ga. Guns ~ 16ga O/U on GB WAG |
|
Posted:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:46 pm
|
|
|
Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 2357
Location: West MI
|
|
Not nearly as pretty as the last post, I have no idea what it might be or was, so might be interesting to learn what the 16ga collective thinks it is....
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892795369 |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:03 pm
|
|
|
Joined: 22 May 2020
Posts: 273
Location: Ky
|
|
Toast! |
_________________ “Never use an ugly gun to kill a beautiful bird” |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:04 pm
|
|
|
Joined: 04 Mar 2019
Posts: 1854
Location: Central ND
|
|
Yeah......no!! |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:12 pm
|
|
|
Joined: 21 Mar 2019
Posts: 529
Location: Texas
|
|
Hey ugly chicks need love too! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:26 pm
|
|
|
Joined: 16 Jul 2015
Posts: 2127
Location: Hudson,Wy
|
|
I like project guns but where do I even start with this? Proof positive not to let children have unsupervised access to tools...and it sold for $125! I wouldn't have traded a day old hamburger for it. |
_________________ Only catch snowflakes on your tongue AFTER the birds fly south for the winter... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:06 am
|
|
|
Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 2357
Location: West MI
|
|
Fun stuff, comic diversion with hunting seasons winding down & waiting for the Snows to turn back North....
Any ideas what it is/was? It looks too well made for a home made shop project but too funky for a production gun??? The stock looks reminiscent of a Fulton, the barrels look Italian, the action body looks like a hunk of bulldozer engine block, locking lever trigger guard and triggers sorta resembles a Stevens... |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:54 am
|
|
|
Member
Joined: 06 Apr 2007
Posts: 3375
Location: The Great Northwet
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:56 pm
|
|
|
Joined: 16 Jul 2015
Posts: 2127
Location: Hudson,Wy
|
|
Jr. High School shop project at best. |
_________________ Only catch snowflakes on your tongue AFTER the birds fly south for the winter... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:10 am
|
|
|
Joined: 04 Jun 2009
Posts: 827
Location: N. Shore, mn
|
|
expensive pry bar or door stop. |
_________________ I STAND WITH THE NRA! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:53 am
|
|
|
Joined: 12 Sep 2010
Posts: 1975
Location: Maine
|
|
Best guess is a Franco-Belgian gun from the early days of O/U. Looks like a gun that killed a lot of barn rats/pigeons in its time and in the meantime lived in the barn waiting for its next chance. The cheekpiece says "Belgium" (no German would have made that gun). The sling swivel on the butt says "France or Belgium", as does the braze/solder spot on the lower barrel where a sling swivel had once been attached to the lower barrel. Likewise, the shape where the barrels meet the standing breech looks similar to the early O/U guns. One of the folks here bought a Merkel O/U like that a while back, IIRC. The ghosting from the missing fore-end reminds me of the three-piece fore-ends on early Merkel and Belgian O/U guns, before later designs like the Superposed smoothed all those bulges. As to those design points compare the pictures here https://simpsonltd.com/merkel-o-u-with-ejectors-z46490/
The action is vaguely reminiscent of a French O/U I saw among the hundreds of other guns on the rack at a gun store in rural NC a few winters back. That one had some parts that moved in funky directions to lock the breeches. It was a rarity for two reasons - the French copy no one and no one copies the French, on the one hand, and it was just too complicated, on the other.
Of course, the cocking mechanism we see could just be the handiwork of Bubba (or Farmer Bob, out in his workshop) when something inside broke, the gunsmith wanted more than the gun cost (or lived too far away or had no idea) and he decided to go the designers one better.
Over the years a friend has built a collection of what he calls "Farmer guns" - the single-shot shotguns, usually break action and 12 ga, that were all-purpose tools parked behind the kitchen door, out in the mud room or in the barn for quick and easy pest control, harvesting the occasional game animal that wandered too close to the house, home defense and light hunting use. The breadth and ingenuity of the designs made for an astonishing number of variations - everyone trying to move their product through a hardware store or farm supply had their own better mousetrap. Most of them worked well enough for the intended purpose. Most of them also were treated like the farm implements they were. Because they are in a "collection", his are usually better-condition examples unless they were so rare that he had to buy a real beater.
Stuff like this comes out of the barns and attics in Maine pretty regularly, or at least it used to. This particular dealer (I've dealt with him - straight shooter) calls them like he sees them. This particular gun was fairly described and probably fairly priced (if only to cover the seller's costs). That it sold - not everything he posts sells - should tell you something. |
_________________ “A man’s rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.”
Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867, speech in Williamsport, Pa. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:58 am
|
|
|
Member
Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Posts: 1395
Location: Tappahannock, Virginia
|
|
“ the French copy no one and no one copies the French...”
LOL |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:07 am
|
|
|
Joined: 12 Sep 2010
Posts: 1975
Location: Maine
|
|
Dave in Maine wrote: |
...This particular gun was fairly described and probably fairly priced (if only to cover the seller's costs). That it sold - not everything he posts sells - should tell you something.
|
Looking at the buyer's history on GB, this was his first [and so far only] purchase - he joined 12/23/20. If he had any other GB purchases I might say he was the guy buying ammo at insane prices, but he hasn't so far. Might be a newby, a chump, or an experienced knowledgeable buyer's sockpuppet. |
_________________ “A man’s rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.”
Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867, speech in Williamsport, Pa. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:23 am
|
|
|
Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
Posts: 2357
Location: West MI
|
|
Interesting, makes sense. Incredible the knowledge and experience that hangs around here, thanks for the input. Still chuckling over the French dig. |
_________________ Sorry, I'm a Duck Hunter so shouldn't be held strictly responsible for my actions between Oct 1st and ice up. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted:
Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:55 am
|
|
|
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 965
Location: Minnesota
|
|
If I was looking for a gun to hang over the cabin fireplace, I’d keep looking . |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|